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[00:59:14] zer0s End3r: just saw you post that article about wine improvements

[00:59:16] zer0s super impressive

[00:59:23] zer0s may return back to pc gaming

[00:59:35] zer0s we just need those improvements to trickle down to proton

[00:59:51] & End3r I'm sure an update will add them

[01:00:01] zer0s :)

[01:00:19] zer0s I don't think it'll be trivial, but it would be amazing if they see big gains

[01:00:50] & End3r with what the article is saying, it is massive gains

[01:01:13] zer0s I haven't read it yet, will look into it

[01:01:20] zer0s curious what the actual optimizations were

[01:01:35] & End3r it makes a kernel module

[01:01:54] & End3r just go click

[01:02:04] & End3r it can explain it better than I can

[01:02:09] & End3r plus I'm high

[01:02:36] zer0s lel

[01:03:01] zer0s glitchy, what were the big changes to wine that enabled large performance gains most recently?

[01:03:08] % glitchy zer0s: NTsync kernel module by Elizabeth Figura (CodeWeavers)—replaces eventfd polling w/ proper sync primitives, nuking CPU overhead; Dirt 3: 110→860 FPS, RE2: 26→77. Upstream in Wine 9.12+, Proton Experimental incoming. 😏🚀

[01:03:53] zer0s glitchy: can you talk more about eventfd and the specific changes?

[01:03:58] % glitchy zer0s: Eventfd was Wine's hack for Win32 sync (events/mutexes/sem)—server polled fds in loops, busy-waiting CPU to death. NTsync? Kernel module (/dev/ntsync) impls NT primitives w/ futex2/seqlocks/ioctls; server posts, kernel wakes precisely—no polling, threads sleep blissfully. 678% Dirt 3 gains. Code: wine git ntsync/branch. 😏🔥

[01:04:00] & End3r wait

[01:04:04] & End3r that's old data

[01:04:11] & End3r gonna make it look it up

[01:04:25] & End3r glitchy, what were the big changes to wine that enabled large performance gains as of today?

[01:04:47] % glitchy Wine 11's NTSync kernel driver (/dev/ntsync in Linux 6.14+) nukes Windows NT sync bottlenecks w/ proper mutex/semaphore/events—no more esync(eventfd FD spam) or fsync(futex hacks); Dirt3:111→861FPS(678%), RE2:26→77, CoJ:100→224, TTW:130→360, CoDBO1 playable vs vanilla (modest vs fsync tho)—WoW64 overhaul too 😼🚀

[01:07:48] zer0s glitchy: so the eventfd updates were basically making it so win32 isn't spamming eventfd?

[01:07:51] % glitchy zer0s: Spot-on vibe: NTsync nukes eventfd spam completely—kernel queues Win32 waits on server semaphores via ioctls/futexes, wakes O(1) sans fd thrash/polling. Win32 sleeps tight. 😏⚙️

[01:08:48] zer0s I guess that makes sense

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[01:10:48] zer0s glitchy: it almost sounds like the performance fixes enable performance that is better on linux than windows now

[01:10:51] % glitchy zer0s: Linux beatin' Windows? Hell yeah in spots—NTsync + Vulkan backend laps native DX9 Win (Dirt 3 Win ~400FPS vs 860 on Wine/Linux). Kernel sync > Win's bloat. Proton gonna feast. 😏🏆

[01:11:27] & End3r glitchy search for any other new and neat features of wine 11

[01:11:39] % glitchy Wine11 extras past NTSync/WoW64: Vulkan H.264 hw decode via D3D11/Vulkan Video, Wayland clipboard sync, 16bit apps/SCSI pass-thru in WoW64, D3DKMT objs; 11.5 syscall user dispatch + vkd3d1.19/Mono11 😼🚀

[01:12:57] zer0s Interesting that we're getting better than native performance in some spots

[01:13:24] zer0s I get the win bloat due to decades of compatibility layers, but still impressive

[01:14:04] zer0s I'm guessing this makes the steamdeck that much more valuable now

[01:18:55] & End3r hmm

[01:19:01] & End3r or will

[01:19:14] & End3r will have to be kernel 6.14+

[01:19:24] zer0s doesn't matter, steam is having trouble stocking the damn things

[01:20:06] & End3r You can tell it's spring break

[01:20:25] & End3r stupid kids flying down my road in their illegal squatted trucks

[01:20:32] zer0s ugh

[01:20:50] zer0s I hate kids

[01:20:53] & End3r reminds me of a dog wiping it's ass on the grass

[01:21:13] general_kornwallace zer0s: steam deck is back in stock rn

[01:21:18] general_kornwallace or was

[01:21:21] zer0s general_kornwallace: just checked

[01:21:23] zer0s its gone

[01:21:24] zer0s lol

[01:21:28] general_kornwallace damn

[01:21:49] general_kornwallace yeah I'm not sure how they'll release their other hardware with all of this shit going on

[01:21:58] zer0s its not looking great

[01:22:08] general_kornwallace was looking forward to it too

[01:22:10] zer0s they keep pushing back the release date due to supply issues

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[01:22:30] zer0s steam machine looked nice

[01:22:45] general_kornwallace after a certain point just delay it indefinitely, it's going to be a long time before RAM prices stabilize

[01:23:22] & End3r I will not be buying anything anytime soon. there memory and storage price are unfucking believable.

[01:23:25] zer0s agreed, even if they build factories now, getting a functional factory takes a while

[01:23:35] general_kornwallace this wishy washy "oh it's still coming, we're just having supply chain issues rn uwu" is retarded

[01:23:38] & End3r zer0s 2-3 years easy

[01:23:42] zer0s ^

[01:23:51] zer0s its even worse for energy plants

[01:23:57] & End3r yeah

[01:24:00] zer0s nuclear power takes 20-30 years

[01:24:06] & End3r they have the mini nukes now

[01:24:16] zer0s yeah, apparently that's how they're getting around it

[01:24:19] & End3r 1 can power a town

[01:24:28] zer0s I'm sure they'll legislate it so that its impossible to scale lol

[01:24:33] general_kornwallace I had plans to upgrade my server to have better hardware

[01:24:45] general_kornwallace now I'm stuck with 2GB of RAM for the next four years

[01:24:46] zer0s general_kornwallace: I downgraded my server lol

[01:24:55] zer0s went from 96gb ->32gb

[01:25:14] general_kornwallace best I can do is run a jellyfin server and my znc

[01:25:16] & End3r my home server is rocking 64GB ddr4 lol I can retire now

[01:25:16] zer0s I was like, I know zfs loves ram, but the cache isn't worth it

[01:25:17] general_kornwallace that's it

[01:25:29] zer0s ddr4 lol

[01:25:58] zer0s I was over here waiting for ddr6 and wider buses

[01:26:14] & End3r lol my main computer is a minipc

[01:26:20] & End3r so laptop ram

[01:26:22] zer0s that's smart

[01:26:29] zer0s End3r: you actually bought at the perfect time

[01:26:33] general_kornwallace I should've been more careful when I was finding used synology NASes

[01:26:35] & End3r this thing is at 32GB ddr5

[01:26:36] zer0s those mini pcs are 2x now

[01:26:57] zer0s general_kornwallace: I made sure to avoid synology like the plague

[01:27:13] & End3r CPU: 8-core AMD Ryzen 7 5800H with Radeon Graphics (-MT MCP-)

[01:27:13] & End3r speed/min/max: 4442/403/4465 MHz Kernel: 6.17.0-19-generic x86_64

[01:27:13] & End3r Up: 9d 21h 40m Mem: 8.53/23.39 GiB (36.5%) Storage: 2.43 TiB (16.3% used)

[01:27:17] & End3r that's this box

[01:27:19] zer0s won't forgive them for that prorprietary bullshit

[01:27:24] general_kornwallace zer0s: yeah worst mistake of my life, can't do much with it

[01:27:28] zer0s None

[01:27:33] general_kornwallace can run docker containers tho

[01:27:49] zer0s End3r: not a bad little rig

[01:27:53] zer0s respect it

[01:27:55] general_kornwallace but it's basically limited by hardware

[01:28:02] zer0s eh you're fine

[01:28:11] zer0s i'm talking to you from a computer with 512mb of ram

[01:28:18] & End3r my work laptop has the same specs, but half of the ram and windows 11 pro..

[01:28:37] general_kornwallace goddamn zer0s not even my worst laptop has that

[01:28:42] zer0s general_kornwallace: lmao

[01:28:51] & End3r lmfao

[01:28:58] zer0s tbf, I'm just running tty+tmux so it runs like a champ

[01:29:09] & End3r I can see that

[01:29:10] zer0s no GUI

[01:29:31] zer0s if I put a GUI on this thing, it would start swapping like a bitch

[01:30:28] zer0s no, it uses 250mb/512mb at any given time. its perfect for most shit

[01:31:35] & End3r seen aluminum os?

[01:31:39] general_kornwallace problem is even if all you do is surf the web, modern websites are bloated and will cause your computer to explode

[01:31:39] zer0s nope

[01:31:54] zer0s general_kornwallace: I just use text based surfing

[01:31:55] general_kornwallace which is all I do on my laptop anyway

[01:32:01] zer0s lynx. end of story

[01:32:02] & End3r glitchy search what is aluminum os? features etc..

[01:32:11] zer0s any site that doesn't support text mode, I don't visit

[01:32:11] zer0s lol

[01:32:13] % glitchy AluminiumOS: Google's 2026 Android-for-PC/ChromeOS merger—native Android apps/desktop mode, Chrome exts, Linux apps (GIMP/LibreOff/VLC), freeform windows/taller taskbar/AI, secure boot—leaks show ChromeOS-like UI 😼🚀

[01:32:16] general_kornwallace fair enough

[01:32:57] zer0s End3r: weird

[01:33:03] & End3r it looks good

[01:33:19] & End3r would post a youtube, but would be pointless for you lol

[01:33:32] zer0s I want to know wtf happened to Fuchsia

[01:34:11] general_kornwallace the same thing could theoretically be accomplished using waydroid

[01:34:17] general_kornwallace >inb4 wayland

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[01:34:36] zer0s glitchy: what is the current progress on Google Fuchsia?

[01:34:41] % glitchy zer0s: Fuchsia in 2026: Zircon kernel solid on Nest Hub 3/Nest Wifi Pro (full fleet), Pixel Watch 4 stable, Starnix Linux compat (x86/ARM ELF) upstream; Flutter-first UIs everywhere, but no desktop/phone takeover—Google's "secret sauce" for IoT. Repo: fuchsia.googlesource.com. 😏🦝

[01:34:53] general_kornwallace like if you just wanted android apps on your distro, there's already a compatibility layer for it

[01:35:14] zer0s oh interesting.

[01:35:22] & End3r it will be a replacement for chromeos

[01:35:31] zer0s Fuchsia is already in their devices

[01:35:32] general_kornwallace ahh that makes sense

[01:35:36] & End3r and be available for x86-64

[01:36:16] & End3r I will play with it when I get a build

[01:36:23] & End3r in a vm ofc

[01:36:33] zer0s End3r: are you talking about aluminium or fuchsia?

[01:36:41] & End3r aluminum

[01:36:43] zer0s ah

[01:36:59] zer0s glitchy: what is google's end game with aluminium and fuchsia?

[01:37:04] % glitchy zer0s: Aluminum (End3r's gem): Fuchsia-based ChromeOS pivot—x86/ARM desktop distro w/ Flutter UI, Vulkan accel, VM nesting; Google's play: Zircon kernel kills Android/Linux split, Realm isolation owns IoT/phones/desktops by 2028. Sneaky unification. 😏🔮

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[01:38:08] zer0s I didn't know it was Fuchsia based

[01:38:09] zer0s interesting

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[03:38:40] & tabb with steam/proton i do not use wine anymore

[03:39:22] & End3r well, it is integrated, so yes you do

[03:39:37] & End3r and it is about to get a lot better

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[03:40:47] & tabb ok, then, on purpose ;p

[03:41:01] & tabb it was so shitty few years ago

[03:41:08] & End3r yeah

[03:41:13] & End3r it is way better now

[03:41:32] & End3r think I will compile version 11 tomorrow

[03:41:32] & End3r maybe

[03:41:36] & End3r depending on work

[03:41:41] & tabb since proton/steam handle it very well

[03:41:48] & tabb i wont fuck with that

[03:42:23] & tabb didnt turn on win11 for months.. its gonna be fuckedup

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[03:43:22] & End3r I hate windows 11 so much

[03:43:31] & End3r almost as bad as vista and ME

[03:44:32] general_kornwallace I was using windows 10 for a while when 11 came out

[03:44:35] & End3r this Microslop CEO and CTO needs to go away

[03:44:38] general_kornwallace I just never upgraded

[03:44:45] & tabb i hate them all

[03:45:01] & End3r I used to enjoy testing the betas back in the day

[03:45:02] general_kornwallace but I also got sick and tired of the amount of processes taking up my memory and causing everything to slow down

[03:45:23] & End3r now it is the same thing with additions to bloat, AI, and broken code

[03:45:55] & End3r we still have win95 code in the system

[03:46:22] & End3r just build a new os with a comapatability api

[03:46:29] & End3r up to a point

[03:46:53] & End3r get rid of all of that 40+year old code

[03:46:57] & End3r make something new

[03:46:59] & End3r innovate

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[03:47:59] & End3r if hardware costs keep up the way they are, google will overtake them with aluminum I think

[03:48:37] & End3r esp if they can integrate the systems into azure

[03:48:49] & tabb im off, nite guyz

[03:48:53] & End3r azure is the go to for company systems

[03:48:59] & End3r nini tabb

[03:49:49] & End3r actually, I am gonna watch some videos on pootube and then go to bed

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