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[03:18:23] ski (they are like that. i have enjoyed chatting with them in the past, and probably still would. they can sometimes be a bit hard to converse with, though. and they do have an issue with some things, like above)

[03:19:38] ski needs to learn a bit better how to engage with conversations. help themselves, if you will. possibly with some suggestions/help/explanations of others, i dunno

[03:20:29] ski glad to hear that, c0ded

[03:21:06] ski c0ded : and now ?

[03:45:59] ski is it a sheep, or a goat ?

[06:31:03] ski cactus jam

[06:32:08] ski yea, just the innards of the fruits :b

[06:32:48] ski cactus chair seat

[06:32:56] ski i saw one of those

[06:33:22] ski well .. you could technically eat it

[06:33:57] ski well, there's edible plates

[06:34:01] ski why not edible chairs ?

[06:34:31] ski there's a kid's book about a kid who likes to eat houses (bricks, &c.)

[06:35:07] ski iirc, there was someone (a frenchie, i think ?) who ate a small aeroplane, and a coffin, and other stuff

[06:36:19] ski you can get a hairball in your stomach, if you do that

[06:36:30] ski may need to get it surgically operated out

[06:37:13] ski there's also some people who eat the bubbly innards of sofas and the like

[06:37:16] ski or mattresses

[06:37:58] ski <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapunzel_syndrome> and <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichobezoar> is about eating hair

[06:38:38] ski apparently people can get addicted to eating the most weird things

[06:38:52] ski spiders do eat their webs, iirc

[06:39:00] ski to recycle the old thread

[06:39:14] ski (maybe not all ? i dunno)

[06:39:54] ski there are social spiders who live together in colonies, and go out and hunt together. also defend their home together, e.g. against invading ant armies

[06:41:39] ski i recall watching a video where a researcher was talking about how some of them were more cowards, while others were braver. if you don't go and fight, and others fight for you, then you're not as likely to die, you're freeloading. but enough do that, you have worse chances of winning. so there's an interesting dynamic there between how brave you should be. iirc, there was also some other advantage, to

[06:41:45] ski not being too aggressive

[06:41:53] ski nah, this was spiders somewhere in a jungle, or something, iirc

[06:42:39] ski i think most spiders in europe can't bite through our skin, if they try. there's a few that can, though. all spiders are poisonous, iirc

[06:43:34] ski there's a spider who's made a web in the ceiling corner of my toilet, for the last few weeks

[06:44:27] ski iirc, those "daddy long legs" aren't actually proper spiders. may have been they only have a one-lobe body, rather than a two-lobe, or somesuch

[06:44:56] ski (a "sibling family", zoologically speaking. maybe it's called something else in english)

[06:45:02] ski ah, okay

[06:45:56] ski we had largish spiders, with a spherical body, in a root cellar

[06:46:19] ski (iirc, black, or at least dark)

[06:51:40] ski i'm reminded of these two ladies, who loves spiders, and have them crawling around in their hair : <http://www.neilgaimania.it/immagini/enciclopedreams/chantal_zelda.jpg>,<https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4136/4919355806_b8b5462ee9_z.jpg>,<https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/zelda.jpeg>

[06:52:05] ski (took a short while to hunt down, because by system is lagging a little bit atm)

[06:52:59] ski (from Neil Gaiman's "Sandman" comic series, which has now started to be adapted to film format)

[06:54:16] ski i wonder if there are any social spiders, in Europe

[06:55:05] ski cactus cake might be a nice thing to try, maybe

[06:55:20] ski i did try making squash/zucchini cake once, it was quite good

[06:55:54] ski the spikes could possibly help as extra material to attach the web threads to

[06:56:30] ski and i guess if the spider didn't feel like eating a bug right now, it could impake it one a spike, possibly

[06:56:54] ski (although presumably it wouldn't think of that)

[06:57:07] ski hmm .. i wonder how elastic the thread can be

[06:57:29] ski i know they can make it more or less sticky, depending on the intended use. at least some kinds of spiders can do that

[06:58:13] ski some spiders don't create webs, but instead uses a thread with a sticky ball as a lasso, to throw and catch insects. and some are very good at jumping and hunting

[06:58:19] ski but i think all are capable of producing thread

[06:59:05] ski some spiders live under water, and use a small web to catch bubbles of air under water, to be able to breath while sitting underwater

[06:59:45] ski well, there are "spider goats"

[06:59:57] ski what what ?

[07:00:50] ski i guess this type of spider has a kind of thread that doesn't dissolve, then

[07:01:30] ski i don't see why one wouldn't be able to make cloth out of spider thread

[07:02:25] ski we figured out how to make silk out of the thread from the larvae of a moth/butterfly (iirc)

[07:02:48] ski probably there could be a type that wasn't that sticky

[07:02:58] ski but spider thread can be stronger than steel

[07:03:35] ski that's why there's people genetically modifying goats so that their milk contain spider thread, so that they can harvest it

[07:04:28] ski iirc, they were thinking they could make bulletproof vests out of it, that would be lighter than current ones

[07:04:57] ski (was a few years since i heard that. hasn't looked into it more)

[07:05:36] ski it could be that cloth made out of it could be super thin, but still strong, not tearing easily

[07:05:53] ski might make splashes in fashion industry

[07:06:08] ski or perhaps used in some work environments

[07:07:25] ski i'd not be surprised if spider phobia could partially be innate (though probably more for some people than others)

[07:07:44] ski given that some spiders could be quite poisonous and quite deadly

[07:08:27] ski there's also a theory that one reason we developed our sharp and (relatively) rich colorful sight, was to be able to spot venomous snakes in high grass (on savannahs)

[07:09:13] ski hello FireWire

[07:09:27] ski oh, i thought it was longer ago than that, sushi-chan

[07:09:55] ski petting a spider just a little

[07:10:35] ski do they often get alarmed, when you grab them ?

[07:10:47] ski or do they often seem to not mind or understand it much ?

[07:11:13] ski i heard someone say that you don't really get less afraid, at least generally. you get more brave

[07:11:36] ski by voluntarily confronting something that you're scared of, little by little, and realizing it's not so bad

[07:11:54] ski you get braver, in every situation, not just in situations relating to what you were scared of

[07:12:23] ski (although probably to differing degrees, to some extent, i'd expect)

[07:13:08] ski yea, you probably still would need to tackle them. but, if this person was right, doing the next one should be somewhat easier

[07:13:41] ski nR just threw a fit, and decided to mess around with channel bans and stuff

[07:13:56] ski presumably since it reconnected, for some reason

[07:14:02] ski (i didn't notice it had disconnected)

[07:14:38] ski it's sad when i see a spider which's lost a leg (or more)

[07:15:03] ski apparently nR was gone for a little over two hours

[07:15:26] ski "dont_thread_on_me!~dont_thre@49BF97A9.611F2EC.65E396DF.IP" -- hah :)

[07:16:33] ski life is incurable, we all die of it, in the end

[07:17:15] ski i think some people are not afraid of dying

[07:17:23] ski but it's probably rare

[07:17:59] ski some people are really convinced of an afterlife, which in a sense makes them "invulnerable"

[07:18:27] ski some are also fanatical towards a cause, identifying with it so much that they don't care if they die

[07:19:02] ski yea .. but altruistic instinct also probably has evolutionary survival value

[07:19:13] ski risking your own life for your kin and tribe

[07:19:23] ski (especially for your children)

[07:20:37] ski i recall hearing somewhere that, about people who jump from bridges (this was some specific high bridge, i don't recall where), most don't survive, but of those that do, almost all regretted jumping, right after the jump

[07:22:07] ski afaik, only humans, yea. probably related to us understanding future, and being able to plan for it. being able to conceptualize the notion of scarifice (putting something off now, for gains later, to yourself, or people you identify with)

[07:22:30] ski s/scarifice/sacrifice/

[07:24:45] ski humans also realize that they're vulnerable, because of discovering future. animals (at least most, afaik) live in the here and now (some store food for winter and so, but afaik, that's more of an instinct). because of this, they realize how they can hurt others deliberately, by reflecting on what would hurt themselves. the invention of malice

[07:26:28] ski i'm not sure if i'm scared of death itself. sure i don't really want to die, and i don't want to have pain in connection to it

[07:27:42] ski i guess i probably still are afraid of it, on some level. but i don't really feel it too much, consciously, i think, like in daily life. if i was exposed to a dangerous, life-threatening, situation, it might flare up though

[07:28:30] ski it's also a selfish option, if you have any loved ones, or people depending on you

[07:30:46] ski (of course i realize that that may seem like putting extra burden on suicidal people. but i do know it can also help acting like a positive deterrant. i remember chatting with someone. he's said that he's been having suicidal thoughts, his whole life, and basically his reason for not committing suicide, is that he found his wife, whom he loves, and he now have kids (and grandkids iirc), and wouldn't

[07:30:52] ski want to hurt them, by ending his life. so they're acting as an anchor in his life, which he's grateful for)

[07:31:23] ski "But i think suicidal people so r depressed they think they're a burden to everyone else and tht if they die their family members, friends etc would get \"rid\" of him/her" -- yes, very common

[07:35:56] ski i also recall reading a book by a bipolar woman. she's now and then, getting strong suicidal impulses. she's also married, and loves her husband and kids. anyway, at one point, she was at some major political event (with people from many different parties campaigning. also scientists and cultural stuff, and other organizations showing off stuff to public at the same "festival" thing), and she's

[07:36:02] ski participating in some debate there. and someone there (i think it was, or maybe online) was accusing her of being so privileged (being a somewhat successful book author, and holding lectures), and not being able to have compassion for, or understand, how bad people on the lower social classes actually have it. but only a few hours before that, she's seriously considered ending her life, by jumping into

[07:36:08] ski the ocean. only thing stopping her was basically thoughts of her family

[07:37:06] ski you never know what a person is going through, struggling with, in their private life. they may appear successful, but if you knew their situation, you might not want to swap with them

[07:39:56] ski i've been somewhat sympathetic towards "suicide should be a choice like euthanasia" in the past. but i've changed opinion. partially because of what you're saying. partially because i do not trust authorities with this power. old people (and not so old, as well) often also feel like they're just a burden to their family, and may feel pressured into accepting euthanasia, implicitly or explicitly. and i

[07:40:02] ski think we, as a civilization, do need to longer lived timespan experience, and (potentially) life wisdom, of our elders

[07:42:02] ski i (hopefully obviously) don't want to get back to shaming people who have suicidal ideation, or have attempted though. or shunning in various ways, after it's happened

[07:43:03] ski i think shaming can, in certain circumstances, be a useful societal force. we still have taboos, in our culture

[07:43:29] ski (there's a reason, evolutionarily speaking, why we can experience shame)

[07:43:47] ski but i agree with what you're saying

[07:44:13] ski yea. immutable (or not that mutable) characteristics

[07:45:00] ski FireWire : would you like to add anything ?

[07:45:05] ski ah, have a nice breakfast :)

[07:45:17] ski thank you for the conversation

[07:48:29] ski of which ?

[07:50:04] ski (and what did you mean to refer to, when you said it was complex ?)

[07:50:52] ski yea .. pathologies of the mind or psyche are often not looked upon as "real diseases"

[07:52:46] ski there can be many different things making you think life isn't worth living, yea

[07:55:02] ski one would be being dealt a bad hand, by life, in terms of career, or love life, &c. another would be having trouble seeing any point in it all, even if you may look successful (having existential problems. iirc, Viktor Frankl, a psychiatrist (and holocaust survivor) wrote quite a bit about this)

[18:21:14] ski ComputerTech : (intending to) code one in C, as well ?

[18:31:52] ski najs

[19:16:52] ski nothing to see here then, guv'nor ?

[19:18:32] ski sounded right, to me

[19:22:57] ski lack of fine motor skills would seem to present a problem

[20:03:25] ski emptied ?

[20:07:23] ski i don't think there was any major change in bans, last week ?

[22:13:32] ski baobab is a tree, i think ?

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