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[05:25:01] MatCat sup

[05:25:31] MatCat :P

[05:25:58] MatCat danke

[05:26:36] MatCat not much, listening to some zappa

[05:28:30] MatCat lol what did he say, I had him on ignore

[05:29:15] MatCat lol

[05:29:26] MatCat trying to bring drama from other chans :P

[05:32:18] MatCat ComputerTech what your bots written in?

[05:32:29] MatCat your own base?

[05:32:34] MatCat nice

[05:32:41] MatCat not a fan of python, but nice for making your own base :)

[05:32:52] MatCat my bot is writen in php lol

[05:33:22] MatCat I need to finish prepping my bots codebase for open source

[05:34:35] MatCat lol no, but it started as a personal project for a low key basic bot, but morphed into much more

[05:34:47] MatCat there is a lot I want to do with the code base before its really ready for others to use it

[05:35:22] MatCat mainly to use it

[05:39:32] MatCat mmmm wet fish

[05:42:54] MatCat boop

[05:43:33] MatCat https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/095/236/130.jpg

[05:44:53] MatCat ComputerTech where is tr bridging to?

[05:45:04] MatCat sh

[05:45:06] MatCat ah*

[05:45:37] MatCat I should apply to add a node to rizon lol

[05:46:06] MatCat I have a very small network, is it a network if its only 1 node? :P

[05:47:59] MatCat lol

[06:59:57] MatCat hrm, accidently got lidocaine on my lips, not they are numb

[07:01:46] MatCat login: so I must ask, what do you think of snakes?

[07:02:18] MatCat don't be scared :)

[07:02:26] MatCat I keep and breed snakes

[07:04:08] MatCat herald: you just learned of my snake keeping?

[07:04:44] MatCat well I have stoner memory :)

[07:05:41] MatCat I love my snakes :)

[07:08:18] MatCat snakes emotions aren't as obvious as a dog or a cat, so would I say love? no, but they certainly learn to trust you and accept you

[07:08:26] MatCat and they do remember

[17:47:17] MatCat crovax I is online

[17:47:49] MatCat just woke up

[17:55:07] MatCat sup foxy

[18:01:30] MatCat not too bad

[20:01:45] MatCat spare the rod spoil the child, parents don't hit their children to hurt them, they do it for the shock value, its not meant to hurt, its meant to get the kid to realize they messed up, if I wasn't hit as a kid I would of grown up to be a real demon

[20:03:10] MatCat I was not abused

[20:03:12] MatCat I was properly raised

[20:03:26] MatCat there is a difference between a simple smack that gets attention, and actual child abuse

[20:04:38] MatCat you are free to raise your kids how you wish, but if you don't get through to them as many kids wont be gotten through with mere words, then you will raise a self entitled little shit that will make the world a worse place, its not child abuse to hit a child in a way to get attention, again its not to hurt them, its to get attention in ways words cannot do

[20:05:45] MatCat I am not talking about hitting women

[20:05:52] MatCat you are

[20:06:00] MatCat adults are not children

[20:06:40] MatCat sushi-chan: yes and as a child I needed to be smacked a few times to get the lesson, thats life

[20:06:48] MatCat I am GLAD my parents raised me properly

[20:06:55] MatCat its not beating

[20:06:57] MatCat thats the thing

[20:07:18] MatCat when I got smacked as a kid it was never a point of pain, or a beating, it was just enough to get me to realize when words would not

[20:09:10] MatCat lol when I was a teen my grandmother would hit me with high healed shoes, and honestly she wasn't strong enough for it to even hurt

[20:13:14] MatCat sushi-chan: those words are far worse then any smack your mom could give you I assure you, words can be far worse then a little physical interaction

[20:14:48] MatCat sushi-chan: thats a sad generalzation that you are making, it sounds like you where actually abused, and conflate loving healthy smacks from a parent to a child to stop bad behavior, for actual abuse, which 99% of smacks a parent gives are not abuse, if your parents really told you such words then you where actually abused, which is very different

[20:15:30] MatCat h4: doesn't work on adults from a stranger

[20:16:05] MatCat h4: well you aren't my parent, and I am not a child, so I don't have the proper respect for you as I would a parent for that to matter

[20:18:29] MatCat h4: also in all discussions there are 2 sides to a story, it seems to me you would rather control the narrative, then engage in a discussion where both sides of a view are explorered where hopefully all sides involved even if they don't agree, come to an understanding of how the other side views it, big problem in the world today is that everyone seems to think that any idea against our

[20:18:29] MatCat own is somehow bad and must be banished, rather then discussed

[20:19:39] MatCat I have +g on one sec

[20:20:02] MatCat login: its pm ignore basically

[20:21:32] MatCat login: you have to pm them first for them to pm you

[20:21:45] MatCat yes

[20:27:30] MatCat generally its not ideal for someone to be an op that feels the need to randomly kick people, that type of instability can scare users away from a chan, only been in here for half day and I already feel h4 is unstable and messing with vibes of the chan, doesn't even know me and kicked me for taking part in a civil discussion. ComputerTech is a friend, why I am here and why I got +h on

[20:27:30] MatCat joining, but can't say I really like it when ops abuse powers. Just my 2 cents

[20:28:50] MatCat h4: I am a verbose person, I am not one of these zoomers with ADHD like attention spans and tiktok level of engagement, I put thought into what I say, and sometimes it takes more then 3-5 words to do that.

[20:29:51] MatCat sushi-chan what country are you in?

[20:30:04] MatCat ah

[20:30:38] MatCat one of the reasons I will never live in a city or highly populated area :)

[20:31:04] MatCat ski: that I am not a zoomer? or that I am verbose in my responses? :)

[20:31:18] MatCat the AK-45, its 2 cents short of an AK-47 lol

[20:32:31] MatCat fun fact, AK-47s are insanely rare, most AK's you see today are AKM's (I am a gun guy, know lots about guns)

[20:34:01] MatCat the original AK-47 receiver was actually billet steel milled down, whereis the AKM which started production about 2 years after the AK-47 uses stamped sheet steel to make the receiver, cheaper, and faster to make, and a few minor differences in the design

[20:34:23] MatCat Mikoolo: once they switched from milled to stamped it became the AKM, no longer AK-47

[20:34:38] MatCat Mikoolo: just people continued to call it AK-47 so the name sort of stuck even though its not technically true

[20:34:57] MatCat the first ones where milled actually

[20:35:06] MatCat but it was too expensive and time consuming, so they switched to stamping

[20:35:33] MatCat Mikoolo: Not going to argu, I am an FFL, collect guns :)

[20:36:07] MatCat I have an 03

[20:36:18] MatCat milling is much more time consuming

[20:36:48] MatCat Mikoolo: I am talking about production, not prototypes, there where prototyped stamped AK's but the first production was milled

[20:37:03] MatCat the reason is stamped sheet metal is harder to design properly

[20:37:26] MatCat but once you get the stamping tech down its much faster and cheaper

[20:37:41] MatCat milled receivers are stronger though

[20:37:59] MatCat all AR receivers are milled for example

[20:38:29] MatCat although the AR uses alumnium, not steel like AK did

[20:38:39] MatCat milling aluminium is much easier to do

[20:39:42] MatCat login: what country are you in?

[20:41:07] MatCat you keep your country a secret? :P

[20:41:35] MatCat lol

[20:41:46] MatCat Mikoolo what about you, you know a bit about guns, makes me think you may be American like me

[20:42:01] MatCat lol

[20:42:11] MatCat well most people in Europe aren't that well educated on guns

[20:42:21] MatCat I <3 Ian

[20:42:25] MatCat gun jesus

[20:43:04] MatCat the AK has a lot more 'openings' makes it easier for stuff to get into the action

[20:43:28] MatCat also the gas impingement design of the AR helps to self clean out some stuff

[20:43:46] MatCat well, lets not forget AR isn't a model, its a brand technically

[20:43:55] MatCat correct

[20:44:29] MatCat volvos are pretty popular in USA, even though I dislike cars from europe lol

[20:46:02] MatCat Mikoolo: what kind?

[20:46:05] MatCat ahh

[20:46:15] MatCat I need to get a mauser in my collection

[20:46:55] MatCat my oldest rifle is a 1926 mosin, that was finish reworked in late 30s, one of my best bolt actions actually

[20:47:23] MatCat the fins really knew how to give them russian mosins the treatment to make them nice

[20:48:15] MatCat an artistic shot of my mosin :P https://www.mcfile.in/f/72efe193feb148cf98d9/?raw=1

[20:48:42] MatCat better view of it https://www.mcfile.in/f/ea4b2874d4424186911d/?raw=1

[20:49:27] MatCat as you can see in 2nd pic its a full as issued set

[20:49:51] MatCat its a war bring back

[20:49:53] MatCat from WW2

[20:49:56] MatCat so yeah

[20:50:43] MatCat on such historical guns you dont mess with them, you keep them original

[20:50:57] MatCat I can get tons of mausers

[20:51:00] MatCat I just havent

[20:51:14] MatCat there are tons of mausers in the USA

[20:52:48] MatCat Mikoolo: what are swedish laws on semi auto rifles?

[20:53:45] MatCat yes I am aware

[20:53:50] MatCat thats generally the case in all of EU

[20:54:14] MatCat yeah Czech instituted their own form of 2A

[20:54:36] MatCat you would think Europe would of learned from WW2 why it should strust its poeple with firearms, but eh, apperently noty

[20:55:45] MatCat I personally accept an elevation in some crime to give the vast majority the right to defend against such crime

[20:56:47] MatCat the thing is atleast in USA people misunderstand polices job, its not to protect property, its to investigate crime and act as a deterence when visible, cops can't be everywhere at once, and they can't arrive instantly when called, hence their job becauses and is primnarily investigation

[20:57:16] MatCat lol becauses, becomes*

[20:57:45] MatCat login: thats politicians that do that :)

[20:57:55] MatCat the police are just the tool of the politician to enforce their policy

[20:59:09] MatCat https://www.mcfile.in/f/37d7f9d67215475fa539/?raw=1

[21:00:40] MatCat login: it can be more complicated then you may think, sure shooting cans or targets at 10 yards isn't that hard to figure out, but when you start talking hunting where aim matters, moving targets, targets farther out then 100 yards, there is a lot more skill that comes into play

[21:01:24] MatCat login: also in self defense use, it takes a lot of training to do it properly when under pressure of your life possibly being in threat etc

[21:03:03] MatCat well in USA the legal issues are generally not that complicated, did you fear for your life in a way that any reasonable person would? then you usually will be fine

[21:03:48] MatCat I have actually used a gun twice in my life in legit self defense

[21:03:53] MatCat NOT that I shot anyone

[21:03:58] MatCat both times I didn't even have to pull the trigger

[21:04:07] MatCat just getting the gun out of the holster was enough

[21:10:52] MatCat login: I don't know about uk / eu laws on the subject, but in the USA criminal law is always based on intent

[21:11:17] MatCat Mikoolo: lol that 1911 looks comical

[21:11:58] MatCat manslaughter in USA would require that the death you caused be unmerited, I.E. if it wasn't found to be self defense

[21:12:23] MatCat irish666 proper term is supressor

[21:13:21] MatCat login: I would say fear of violence, not threat of it, I.E. home invasions are much more rare in US states with strong gun ownership, because people fear getting shot going into someones home where they know there is a high chance of a gun being there used against htem

[21:14:23] MatCat also login why mass shootings are more common in gun free zones, because they know there is no one there to stop them from doing it

[21:15:04] MatCat login: that assumes criminals will obey the gun signs, they dont :)

[21:15:25] MatCat login: that also assumes its the common gun owner that will be violent, its not

[21:16:35] MatCat login: fun fact in the USA, people with conceal carry permits to carry a gun, are on average 5x less likely to commit a crime then even a cop

[21:17:45] MatCat login: when you get a conceal carry permit, part of the training in that is you are taught to ALWAYS avoid conflict when possible, because you don't want to make a situation worse where it may escelate to use of force, so yes we are taught to AVOID as much as is realistic inflaming a situation

[21:17:57] MatCat login: not in the USA it doesnt

[21:18:11] MatCat in fact 27 states any adult 18+ can carry a gun with no permit at all

[21:18:42] MatCat yes concealed

[21:19:08] MatCat yep

[21:19:13] MatCat any of them could

[21:19:31] MatCat in those states, often so :)

[21:20:07] MatCat I agree it should be every state

[21:20:28] MatCat login: people asking for change often cant afford a gun lol

[21:20:44] MatCat it shouldn't cause any stress

[21:21:08] MatCat login: I am much more comfortable when I am in a place where I know many people are armed, vs when I am somewhere where few are

[21:21:43] MatCat no because I know crime is far less likely

[21:22:13] MatCat false

[21:22:19] MatCat you assume everyone with a gun has bad intention

[21:22:21] MatCat and its the opposite

[21:22:38] MatCat ski: a new state just recently passed it, forget which

[21:23:03] MatCat in my opinion bad intention is rare in humanity

[21:23:05] MatCat its not 0

[21:23:06] MatCat but its rare

[21:23:20] MatCat it did, the one state was immediate effect

[21:23:25] MatCat florida was one that had a delay

[21:24:13] MatCat login: that sounds a lot like you manifest what you fear :)

[21:24:33] MatCat but that becomes a you prob, not a humanity prob

[21:26:07] MatCat login: fun fact on that, a lot of people that I have met that are very anti-gun, are so because they dont trust themselves with a gun, and hence can only see others in the way they see themselves, they assume no one is stable

[21:26:46] MatCat login: false, I have done it twice

[21:27:02] MatCat no with a pistol

[21:27:33] MatCat blah: a very sad bit of misinformation by anti-gun organizations

[21:28:56] MatCat blake: honestly I have yet to meet a legal gun owner that I feared, feel more comfortable around them

[21:30:00] MatCat login: when you see a fire extinisher do you feel the building owner is scared of a fire? a tool is a tool right?

[21:31:03] MatCat like, I dont carry a gun because I fear, I carry one because its a tool that could come in handy, the old saying I would rather have it and not need it, then to not have it and need it.

[21:31:29] MatCat USA :P

[21:31:58] MatCat well I go back and forth between Northern Cali and Oregon, I have property in both states

[21:32:16] MatCat blah: no no military

[21:32:21] MatCat Yes I have a CCW

[21:32:52] MatCat I have had CCW for 8 years now

[21:34:02] MatCat blah: I am very libertarian in my views, I think that all people have a right to defend themselves, I think that if you don't trust someone I.E. a violent felon to have a gun, then they shouldn't be trusted to be out in general population. Why release them from prison if you don't trust them

[21:34:14] MatCat nice \g, what county?

[21:34:25] MatCat shotguns can't be CCw'd lol

[21:34:49] MatCat login: thats part of it, but its mainly for element of surprise, you don't want the bad guy to know your armed

[21:35:02] MatCat LA isn't the worst, or the best county to get a CCW

[21:35:16] MatCat Mikoolo I understand but not a legal CCW weapon in USA

[21:36:09] MatCat no you can't \h

[21:36:11] MatCat \g*

[21:36:18] MatCat only pistols

[21:36:34] MatCat I will have to double check buy Oregon I know thats not true

[21:37:59] MatCat my AR-15 pistol I made a concealment bag for, looks like a gym bag on outside, inside it holds the AR-15 pistol and 12 mag's

[21:38:29] MatCat login: antone trying to obtain your gun is automatic OK for self defense, if they get it there is a high chance they use it on you or others

[21:39:36] MatCat \g: waiting on Benitez to strike down calis AW ban laws, I keep a lot of my cali illegal guns in ORegon for that reason

[21:40:25] MatCat \g: https://www.mcfile.in/f/37d7f9d67215475fa539/?raw=1

[21:41:11] MatCat \g: that is my truck gun :)

[21:41:24] MatCat its chambered in 300 blk, not 556

[21:41:41] MatCat the grip fins in Cali are so stupid

[21:41:49] MatCat login: in some states yes

[21:42:15] MatCat yes in duty to retreat you have to run away if you can

[21:42:24] MatCat cali oddly enough is a stand your ground state

[21:42:40] MatCat you would think as anti-gun as cali is it would be duty to reteat, but its not

[21:43:18] MatCat I can tell you this, if someone tries to rub me I am pulling a gun out when its viable to do so lol

[21:43:34] MatCat LOL

[21:43:38] MatCat what a typo

[21:43:56] MatCat just back away from them

[21:44:18] MatCat I try not to let people get any closer then like 20 feet from me if I can unless I know them

[21:44:42] MatCat well its the 20 foot rule

[21:45:02] MatCat someone 20 feet or closer to you and you don't have time to draw a gun on them before they can stab you or whatever

[21:45:16] MatCat so I try to follow the 20 foot rule

[21:45:39] MatCat if I know and trust them obviously yeah

[21:46:02] MatCat and of course in real world you can't always keep people 20 feet away (like standing in line at store)

[21:46:15] MatCat MissUnderstood: how come you left #mcchat?

[21:46:45] MatCat no login lol

[21:47:24] MatCat guns are only ment for potential life threating scenarios, so using one to enforce a 20 foot rule would be bad :P

[21:48:13] MatCat login: no thats not how it works, its based on knifes

[21:48:31] MatCat login: if someone is coming at you within 20 feet with a knife you cannot react fast enough to get a gun out to stop them

[21:49:12] MatCat if someone tells me that I am totally pitting my hand on my gun lol

[21:49:34] MatCat I put my hand on my gun all the time when I am out and about, doesn't mean I am pulling it out :P

[21:52:32] MatCat I am not

[21:52:36] MatCat nor is having a gun scarey

[21:53:04] MatCat a tool is a tool

[21:53:17] MatCat both times I used a gun in self defense it was purely defense

[21:53:22] MatCat since I never fired a round

[21:53:37] MatCat you could also bash someones head in with a shield, making it offensive

[21:54:49] MatCat MissUnderstood: first time, I pulled into my office complex in Oregon, I saw a homeless guy beating another homeless guys head in with a rock, so I pulled my gun and yelled at him to stop, he stopped, threw the rock at me (I was 60 feet away so it had no chance of getting to me) and he ran off

[21:55:30] MatCat login: real life isn't like a movie :)P

[21:56:51] MatCat MissUnderstood: second time, I was driving taxi for work and I was eating taco bell on my lunch break at 2am, some dude ran up to my car and opened the door and demaned I take him for a ride, I said no I am on break, but I can call a taxi to get him, and he started to come into the taxi yelling NO we where going NOW, so I umholstered my gun, and he ran off

[21:57:18] MatCat login: you don't want to advertise you have guns, becausse they will just wait until your not home, and go steal your guns

[21:58:12] MatCat Ahsoka: have I told you I have a snake named Ahsoka?

[21:58:44] MatCat login: it goes back to intent, a booby trap is indiscriminate of intent hence illegal

[21:59:20] MatCat jan6: best to have hungry lions in the cellar they fall into :P

[22:00:26] MatCat I should put a sign on my house warning of attack snakes

[22:00:53] MatCat I like boobies :)

[22:01:43] MatCat there is a company that makes an alarm system that uses blank 12 gauge shells, its not ment to shoot or hurt anyone, just go off with a loud pop

[22:02:24] MatCat not even shots

[22:02:33] MatCat since its just a blank

[22:06:01] MatCat part of the prob with doing your own melts is trust, people will trust known mintings more so then random gold, plus its hard to melt your own gold down and get the same purity that the gold you started with had

[22:06:52] MatCat irish666: its not that high lol, but part of it is trust, not just the cost of minting

[22:08:31] MatCat lol

[22:08:49] MatCat yeah there are non-desstructive methods

[22:10:08] MatCat I have a good bit of silver

[22:10:48] MatCat I keep silver in the case of economic collapse

[22:10:52] MatCat gold too

[22:11:14] MatCat I have the tools to make my own ammo login

[22:11:23] MatCat but ammo is made from lead

[22:11:32] MatCat yes

[22:11:42] MatCat only if you eat it

[22:11:55] MatCat solid metal is hard to breathe

[22:12:06] MatCat smelting it doesn't give off anything harmful

[22:12:11] MatCat no it doesn't login

[22:12:16] MatCat smelting isn't hot enough to vaporize it

[22:12:56] MatCat you will get more lead in you from shooting in an indoor range then you will smelting lead (the bullets hitting the backstop and breaking up as well as little bit of the lead being vaporized from the act of firing)

[22:13:27] MatCat although most modern ammo is copper jacketed so you wont get direct lead dust from firing usually

[22:14:56] MatCat irish666: war is often very toxic, lot of people die of cancers and such after fighting in war

[22:15:34] MatCat yeah, most modern 1st world countries give their soldiers electronic ear pro though these days

[23:17:01] MatCat we need to ban zoomers

[23:51:00] MatCat I like great meat

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