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[00:28:45] tr [T] <~therock247uk> huh

[00:28:47] tr [T] <~therock247uk> lol

[00:28:55] tr [T] <~therock247uk> chilling :D

[00:28:56] tr [T] <~therock247uk> you?

[02:51:40] tr [T] * @herald also boops ComputerTech

[02:57:53] tr [T] <~therock247uk> :o

[02:58:17] tr [T] <login> $pepe

[03:02:16] tr [T] <login> good you didn't open the ilnk

[03:02:17] tr [T] <login> *link

[03:05:09] tr [T] <login> sophisticated social engineering is indistinguishable from innocence

[03:07:20] tr [T] <login> i guess reeking of desperation is not well-seen on irc

[03:08:05] tr [T] <login> stoicism is a stereotype

[03:08:39] tr [T] <login> of straight males

[03:09:42] tr [T] <login> it's not true, but it is a stereotype

[03:10:14] tr [T] <login> emotional stunting is not a good way to live

[03:10:27] tr [T] <login> if one can use that word

[03:12:13] tr [T] <login> !bang

[03:12:37] tr [T] <login> depends on if you have a bayc

[03:13:21] tr [T] <&nitecore> 1000 rounds of 5.56 nato rounds .. order confirmed .. should arrive while im away at work, and next weekend = pew pew pew fun time with the ar15 :D

[03:13:31] tr [T] <&nitecore> ^^ said that on another chan dif network

[03:13:43] tr [T] <&nitecore> no one is alive there atm

[03:13:50] tr [T] <&nitecore> had to say it some where else

[03:13:52] tr [T] <&nitecore> lol

[03:14:28] tr [T] <&nitecore> no lol

[03:15:17] tr [T] <&nitecore> [11:14:32pm] * Google: #1 - https://www.nitecore.com/ - NITECORE

[03:15:34] tr [T] <&nitecore> thats where i got the name from

[03:28:53] tr [T] <&nitecore> nitecore?

[03:28:55] tr [T] <&nitecore> nah

[03:31:40] tr [T] <&nitecore> they got all sorts of cool gear.. lights, headlamps, lith-ion batterys, gear: all sorts of carrying gear,. power banks\bricks.. other tacticalk gear and saftey stuff, search and rescue etc etc

[03:32:45] tr [T] <&nitecore> ski, the 5.56 nato is the round, nato uses in their rifles, (m4, M4A1.. ya know?

[03:32:59] tr [T] <&nitecore> and the u.s militarty

[03:33:21] tr [T] <&nitecore> but we can buy ar15's which ar stands for armalite rifles

[03:33:30] tr [T] <&nitecore> not assault rifle lol

[03:33:55] tr [T] <&nitecore> which armalite rifles made the original M-16 from back in the 'nam times

[03:35:57] tr [T] <&nitecore> ar15 is just a civilian version of the m4\m4a1

[03:37:53] tr [T] <&nitecore> [11:37:37pm] * Google: #1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle - M16 rifle - Wikipedia

[03:37:53] tr [T] <&nitecore> [11:37:42pm] * Google: #1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine - M4 carbine - Wikipedia

[03:37:54] tr [T] <&nitecore> [11:37:46pm] * Google: #1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15_style_rifle - AR-15 style rifle - Wikipedia

[03:38:14] tr [T] <&nitecore> [11:38:03pm] * Google: #1 - https://www.istockphoto.com/photos/m16 - M16 Pictures, Images and Stock Photos - iStock

[03:38:31] tr [T] <&nitecore> [11:38:21pm] * Google: #1 - https://www.istockphoto.com/photos/m4a1 - 890+ M4a1 Stock Photos, Pictures & Royalty-Free Images - iStock

[03:38:51] tr [T] <&nitecore> [11:38:39pm] * Google: #1 - https://www.istockphoto.com/photos/ar-15 - Ar 15 Pictures, Images and Stock Photos - iStock

[03:50:48] tr [T] <~therock247uk> !bang

[05:32:00] tr [T] <login> it didn't come back

[05:32:17] tr [T] <login> What did you learn from the pedagogical exercise of writing your own irc bot?

[05:32:22] tr [T] <login> python

[05:32:39] tr [T] <login> There should be a way to reason about how the bot acts

[05:33:13] tr [T] <login> A proper organisation of code will allow you to determine correctness just from reading it

[05:33:36] tr [T] <login> They don't teach that at university though: they should be teaching you from examples of actual public projects

[05:33:54] tr [T] <login> is there proper logging?

[05:34:08] tr [T] <login> MatCat seems to fear putting bad code out into the public

[05:34:39] tr [T] <login> once you determine the right command, you should put it in a different file

[05:35:12] tr [T] <login> for others to use it or see it?

[05:35:28] tr [T] <login> You know, how does the bot know to restart?

[05:35:44] tr [T] <login> is it just a soft restart/hot load?

[05:36:03] tr [T] <login> !bang

[05:36:29] tr [T] <login> did i do stg wrong/

[05:36:37] tr [T] <login> !bang

[05:36:44] tr [T] <login> the jam saved me

[05:36:54] tr [T] <login> that was just lucky right?

[05:36:57] tr [T] <login> a lucky coincidence

[05:37:15] tr [T] <login> so bot.py kills elitebot.py using sys?

[05:37:37] tr [T] <login> and is bot.py still running at that point?

[05:38:09] tr [T] <login> !restart

[05:38:46] tr [T] <login> you know, if elitebot.py runs bot.py as a subprocess, killing the parent will kill the subprocess too?

[05:40:33] tr [T] <login> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42608290/process-started-with-nohup-is-not-detached-from-parent

[05:42:56] tr [T] <login> so bot.py stays up successfully?

[05:44:28] tr [T] <login> i se

[05:44:38] tr [T] <login> so is there a loop in elitebot.py?

[05:53:58] tr [T] <login> problem exists between keyboard and chair

[05:54:12] tr [T] <login> i.e. gpt-4 was not the problem

[05:55:00] tr [T] <login> how would you test the assumptions?

[05:55:46] tr [T] <login> there is a process and a subprocess. the subprocess joins

[05:55:56] tr [T] <login> sending !restart asks the subprocess to die

[05:56:08] tr [T] <login> the process has a loop in it that runs the subprocess

[05:56:22] tr [T] <login> each death of the subprocess causes 1 iteration of the loop

[05:57:09] tr [T] <login> do you use nohup on bot.py or elitebot.py

[05:57:42] tr [T] <login> elitebot.py is the parent process, and bot.py is its subprocess

[05:58:27] tr [T] <login> instead of using sys to do anything, bot.py should simply 'return' or exit()

[05:59:12] tr [T] <login> if you want to have a command to kill the bot in a non-restartable way, you'll need some way to communicate between the child and parent process, either via signals or a file or (and this is hard ->) shared memory

[05:59:57] tr [T] <login> did the tree find another way?

[06:01:06] tr [T] <login> !bang

[06:01:11] tr [T] <login> !reload

[06:01:13] tr [T] <login> !bang

[06:01:16] tr [T] <login> !bang

[06:01:19] tr [T] <login> !reload

[06:01:21] tr [T] <login> !bang

[06:01:25] tr [T] <login> !bang

[06:01:56] tr [T] <login> oh, so the exposure to gastric acid is necessary

[06:03:51] tr [T] <login> and avocadoes don't require sloths anymore

[06:04:01] tr [T] <login> So it is the dodo

[06:04:09] tr [T] <login> the most famous flightless bird

[06:59:45] tr [T] <login> i mean, immoral guild is funny

[06:59:59] tr [T] <login> and really gets to the edge of legality

[07:01:47] tr [T] <login> oh no

[07:02:03] tr [T] <login> i don't particularly think of snakes, other than that i am scared of them

[07:07:17] tr [T] <login> do they love you?

[07:07:21] tr [T] <login> or do animals not have that concept?

[07:33:43] tr [T] <login> no backups?

[07:34:12] tr [T] <login> did you delete by moving?

[07:34:15] tr [T] <login> or rm?

[07:34:28] tr [T] <login> file would still exist, just the reference to it would be deleted from the table

[07:34:38] tr [T] <login> cli or physically

[07:34:52] tr [T] <login> oh, you lost the buffer

[07:35:15] tr [T] <login> good editors have tree-based undo

[07:35:20] tr [T] <login> you can replay everything including undos

[07:35:37] tr [T] <login> well, no

[07:35:52] tr [T] <login> unless you have a non-destructive editor

[07:36:00] tr [T] <login> if it's in git and you have a previous commit, you can still go back

[07:36:31] tr [T] <login> in fact, you can even undo deletes in git if you haven't committed it yet

[07:36:44] tr [T] <login> i mean the git local tool

[07:36:52] tr [T] <login> you should have started with a blank git

[07:37:01] tr [T] <login> and committed changes over time

[07:37:03] tr [T] <login> locally

[07:37:33] tr [T] <login> if you did that, then you can recover overrides or anything that you haven't committed

[07:37:44] tr [T] <login> each commit is a checkpoint you can always go back to

[07:37:57] tr [T] <login> (i'm still talking about local git, not github)

[08:07:46] tr [T] <&Audi> Spin around

[09:59:21] tr [T] <&nitecore> connection reset by a queer

[10:33:04] tr [T] <getimiskon> hello

[14:44:15] tr [S] <@Dragon> lol.

[14:45:11] tr [S] <@Dragon> alcohol is the only substance on this planet that has been proven to actually reduce IQ

[14:45:22] tr [S] <@Dragon> far from healthy stuff

[14:46:34] tr [S] <@Dragon> benzos kill memory, idk about IQ

[14:46:41] tr [S] <@Dragon> +1 on the other two

[14:46:51] tr [S] <@Dragon> weed ftw, idiots ftl

[14:53:39] tr [S] <@Dragon> lmao wez

[16:04:19] tr [S] <@Dragon> https://youtu.be/LT3cERVRoQo

[16:19:58] tr [T] <login> !bang

[16:20:15] tr [T] <login> oops, just read the scrollback now

[16:20:25] tr [T] <login> sorry, MissUnderstood

[16:22:07] tr [T] <login> I think about this sometimes: https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/somebody-stole-gold-other-valuables-111500094.html

[16:22:23] tr [T] <login> what kind of mop do you use?

[16:24:12] tr [T] <login> is the 1.29 mispriced?

[16:24:59] tr [T] <login> they will revise it once it shows up in their reconciliation

[16:25:05] tr [T] <login> might take a week or two

[16:25:12] tr [T] <login> congratz on finding this "alpha"

[16:25:28] tr [T] <login> no, they can't do it

[16:25:46] tr [T] <login> it is not clear whether they've priced that to clear stock

[16:26:09] tr [T] <login> or because they found a way of making that one cheaper

[16:27:07] tr [T] <login> for less than 2 dollars - on the delivery app

[16:27:23] tr [T] <login> they will wonder why they're getting 20 orders of that particuar item

[16:28:08] tr [T] <login> but you know they are losing on unit costs

[16:28:51] tr [T] <login> wasn't he austrian?

[16:29:12] tr [T] <login> will you be getting an AIO?

[16:29:22] tr [T] <login> oh yeah, it was Saphir, apologies

[16:30:23] tr [T] <login> that is such a hot map

[16:31:06] tr [T] <login> (´・ω・｀) - ComputerTech, where did you get this emoticon from?

[16:31:13] tr [T] <login> ^ it sounds like a server

[16:31:42] tr [T] <login> It's from this, right? https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/help-the-girl-i-like-wont-respond-to-my-emails-%EF%BD%A5%CF%89%EF%BD%A5

[16:32:19] tr [T] <login> does cpu make a difference in gaming performance?

[16:33:07] tr [T] <login> hhu

[16:34:19] tr [T] <login> oh, is that what the new cpu has? big L3 cache?

[16:35:21] tr [T] <login> is she learning?

[16:35:49] tr [T] <login> that's a productive saturday

[16:36:24] tr [T] <login> second2050: do you use AMD servers at work? (EPYC)

[16:36:43] tr [T] <login> i see

[16:38:39] tr [T] <login> yeah, delivery to car boot is amazing for families

[16:38:58] tr [T] <login> there are many math wizards in here

[16:39:14] tr [T] <login> There's even someone who has the nickname CrystalMath

[16:39:34] tr [T] <login> *inhome*? so it's not in the car when you go there?

[16:39:41] tr [T] <login> i.e., not drivethru groceries?

[16:40:05] tr [T] <login> power

[16:40:36] tr [T] <login> that's awesome

[16:42:36] tr [T] <login> yeah

[16:42:46] tr [T] <login> but it's in response to a german doing the same thing

[16:43:02] tr [T] <login> also not mentioned is if any fingers on the fist are raised ;)

[16:43:30] tr [T] <login> it could be that the index and pinkie finger are raisd

[16:51:45] tr [T] <login> ooh

[18:45:44] tr [T] <login> so, what was the mistake?

[19:03:53] tr [T] <login> Why study physics unless you're in high school or university?

[19:04:39] tr [T] <login> who is grading you?

[19:04:58] tr [T] <login> why don't you hop on then?

[19:05:25] tr [T] <login> are you studying high school physics or beyond?

[19:05:32] tr [T] <login> and you do need a math foundation for it too, right?

[19:05:41] tr [T] <login> multivariable calculus at least

[19:06:02] tr [T] <login> you should do the A levels

[19:06:06] tr [T] <login> it's a prerequisite

[19:06:18] tr [T] <login> O levels are not even close to enough

[19:06:43] tr [T] <login> How did she know what to teach?

[19:07:08] tr [T] <login> So you can't say you're a high school graduate either, right?

[19:07:37] tr [T] <login> Employers would reject you based on that even if you were actually a genius

[19:07:49] tr [T] <login> in all subjects?

[19:08:37] tr [T] <login> She taught you using school textbooks or other textbooks?

[19:08:49] tr [T] <login> Did she follow a curriculum?

[19:09:21] tr [T] <login> So the same one person - your mother - could teach you physics, chemistry, math, biology, english, accounting, business etc.?

[19:09:53] tr [T] <login> ^ the important stuff not taught in school

[19:10:07] tr [T] <login> there is no wood work or home economics in school any more right?

[19:10:14] tr [T] <login> What about theory of knowledge?

[19:10:32] tr [T] <login> What kind of school was that? sunday school?

[19:10:52] tr [T] <login> is northern ireland that religious?

[19:11:19] tr [T] <login> well, after going to university, ComputerTech might have a piece of paper and a lot of money lost

[19:11:32] tr [T] <login> It's best to just get certified - only exams

[19:11:59] tr [T] <login> So, were you taught ToK?

[19:12:08] tr [T] <login> theory of knowledge?

[19:12:20] tr [T] <login> and did you have to write a thesis or essay?

[19:12:36] tr [T] <login> was there a multi-year structure?

[19:12:50] tr [T] <login> ToK is part of the UK curriculum

[19:13:07] tr [T] <login> but you can't get in without good A levels

[19:13:17] tr [T] <login> how will they admit you into university without being unfair to the other students?

[19:13:32] tr [T] <login> ^ where = home, what = stuff

[19:13:56] tr [T] <login> the other students worked through the stress though

[19:14:33] tr [T] <login> He was the smartest because he was not taught the same thing as 99% of the other students

[19:14:37] tr [T] <login> that by virtue of itself is smart

[19:14:47] tr [T] <login> GED or equivalent

[19:15:00] tr [T] <login> the college is for high school right? sixth form?

[19:15:37] tr [T] <login> is college like the first year of university?

[19:15:56] tr [T] <login> imagine competing with international university students

[19:16:02] tr [T] <login> who study a lot lot more

[19:16:32] tr [T] <login> all pressure is the pressure you put on yourself

[19:16:39] tr [T] <login> real pressure is putting food on the table and earning money

[19:17:06] tr [T] <login> i thought running a business was stressful

[19:17:14] tr [T] <login> learning on your own = reading the textbook

[19:17:22] tr [T] <login> workgroup = finding other similarly minded people

[19:17:39] tr [T] <login> how large of a buffer does one need to run a business - a lot

[19:18:09] tr [T] <login> isn't there the non-exam portion?

[19:18:16] tr [T] <login> presentations and projcts?

[19:18:21] tr [T] <login> assignments and workshops

[19:18:53] tr [T] <login> just audit the classes for free?

[19:19:08] tr [T] <login> but those are single units

[19:19:20] tr [T] <login> if you do single units, does that turn into a degree?

[19:19:44] tr [T] <login> you need technique

[19:20:12] tr [T] <login> you can't cheat in business unless you're cheating yourself

[19:20:42] tr [T] <login> at least you know how to cheat in business

[19:20:49] tr [T] <login> just cook the books to get a loan right?

[19:21:16] tr [T] <login> h4: prof probably did it on purpose to make sure his class passes

[19:21:25] tr [T] <login> no leverage = safe

[19:21:47] tr [T] <login> ^ the honest two

[19:22:08] tr [T] <login> Others take out loans and give it to you ComputerTech/rizon

[19:22:18] tr [T] <login> !bang

[19:22:21] tr [T] <login> !bang

[19:22:29] tr [T] <login> thx

[19:22:50] tr [T] <login> you told it to part with #computertech

[19:22:57] tr [T] <login> it worked as expected

[19:23:17] tr [T] <login> I don't think ComputerTech can get employed

[19:23:30] tr [T] <login> and if he says he runs a business, no employer is willing to compete with that

[19:23:52] tr [T] <login> How does he get a visa anywhere saying 'im not a graduate'

[19:24:03] tr [T] <login> he would have to show a lot of income

[19:24:10] tr [T] <login> oh yeah, that's true, but outside europe

[19:25:04] tr [T] <login> He had social interactions with adults from a young age

[19:25:19] tr [T] <login> That's why he's so collected

[19:25:28] tr [T] <login> No school dynamics

[19:25:39] tr [T] <login> school teaches you psychopathy

[19:26:14] tr [T] <login> At least she got to shape your values her wya

[19:26:21] tr [T] <login> most parents can't afford that

[19:27:04] tr [T] <login> Most parents kids will be going to public school, then university, then apply for a job at ComputerTech's company

[19:27:28] tr [T] <login> he is though

[19:28:21] tr [T] <login> he worked on his grades, not on his capability

[19:28:33] tr [T] <login> he didn't have his own family business to teach him 'capabilities'

[19:28:53] tr [T] <login> Even if he could do integrals, he couldn't tell you what's inside an engine

[19:29:17] tr [T] <login> That is the skill you need in ComputerTech's business

[19:29:35] tr [T] <login> Common sense

[19:29:49] tr [T] <login> Yeah, most kids who don't have common sense focus on grades

[19:30:03] tr [T] <login> The ones who do realise too soon that grades are bs

[19:30:17] tr [T] <login> it's like dancing in a circus and doing hoola hoops

[19:30:27] tr [T] <login> *hula

[19:30:52] tr [T] <login> They wouldn't have grades, so wouldn't even get an interview

[19:31:06] tr [T] <login> Then you'd get the interview but fail it due to no common sense

[19:31:18] tr [T] <login> nobody can learn that

[19:31:29] tr [T] <login> most people can't catch on quick

[19:31:33] tr [T] <login> including you lol

[19:32:00] tr [T] <login> ^ it's the same with them and engines

[19:33:20] tr [T] <login> Imagine studying for 16+ years, and then having to 'catch on quick'

[19:33:43] tr [T] <login> It's not like the business changes a lot over time

[19:33:54] tr [T] <login> 16+ years should have been enough, if taught the right things

[19:34:24] tr [T] <login> unfortunately, kids need to spend 6.5 hours a day at public school

[19:34:59] tr [T] <login> If you had an employee who couldn't name the 8 planets around the sun, but could fix an engine, would you hire them?

[19:35:21] tr [T] <login> And it's not like you can ask other kids to come into your business and make them 'work'

[19:35:30] tr [T] <login> because that's child labour unless you make your own child do it

[19:35:51] tr [T] <login> why does knowing the 8 planets matter though?

[19:36:08] tr [T] <login> it's just like religion in terms of utility

[19:36:19] tr [T] <login> a set of facts that matter to nobody

[19:36:39] tr [T] <login> no, they shouldn't

[19:36:51] tr [T] <login> Why?

[19:36:55] tr [T] <login> Is it not a waste of brainspace?

[19:37:12] tr [T] <login> Maybe they can make more space for common sense

[19:37:34] tr [T] <login> "Because that's what we were taught at school"

[19:37:54] tr [T] <login> claiming 8 planets is heresy - see? just like religion

[19:38:37] tr [T] <login> ComputerTech: do you know the capital of Poland off the top of your head?

[19:39:00] tr [T] <login> what about Northern Ireland ;)

[19:39:27] tr [T] <login> it's not dublin, but london right?

[19:40:03] tr [T] <login> They have dynastic wealth

[19:40:08] tr [T] <login> and it's tax free

[19:50:20] tr [T] <login> Amaybe it's because Frogorg was hungry and the stakehouse closed

[19:51:32] tr [T] <login> it's impossible to say if it was you or not

[19:51:45] tr [T] <login> ComputerTech is the opposite

[19:51:57] tr [T] <login> even if directly insulted, he has a way of de-escalating things

[19:52:03] tr [T] <login> be more like ComputerTech

[19:52:38] tr [T] <login> why don't you send Frogorg a PM to confirm if it was you?

[19:53:17] tr [T] <login> ski: the opposite of taking offence to coincidences

[19:54:04] tr [T] <login> ComputerTech/rizon: Were you taught that violence is never the answer?

[19:54:11] tr [T] <login> Or that honesty was the best policy?

[19:54:16] tr [T] <login> Or any other similar aphorisms?

[19:55:25] tr [T] <login> honesty is a priority, but not essential

[19:55:38] tr [T] <login> violence is to be avoided, but be violent to defend yoursel

[19:55:51] tr [T] <login> Does defending oneself mean defending one's future profits?

[19:56:04] tr [T] <login> even if one hasn't laid claim to said profit yet?

[19:56:33] tr [T] <login> i.e., anything one can defend others from taking, is yours

[19:56:36] tr [T] <login> even if it wasn't before

[19:57:25] tr [T] <login> Violence is the answer, if it is monopolised into the state

[19:57:45] tr [T] <login> Honesty is a good policy amongst honest people, but bad amongst dishonest people

[19:58:19] tr [T] <login> What if kids act entitled?

[19:58:31] tr [T] <login> Express disappointment, or express anger?

[19:58:41] tr [T] <login> Spare the rod and spoil the child - another aphoris

[19:59:21] tr [T] <login> ski: did she instead decide to question why they were doing it?

[20:01:04] tr [T] <login> ski: can they speak her dialect? they did not think protection of minorities was a worthwhile value?

[20:01:18] tr [T] <login> I mean, the parents can't leave the kid either

[20:02:43] tr [T] <login> bullying is a way of enforcing 'values' and 'standards'

[20:02:51] tr [T] <login> it is a part of society's dynamics

[20:04:28] tr [T] <login> Did you know if you did "x", you'd be smacked, MatCat?

[20:04:29] tr [T] <login> or did it feel random?

[20:04:40] tr [T] <login> if it felt random, there was no mens rea, and thus the violence was unjustified

[20:05:53] tr [T] <login> it's because the child is not mentally developed

[20:05:58] tr [T] <login> that's why it's okay

[20:06:35] tr [T] <login> ^ if one found out their parents were paying their bullies to bully their child - imagine the heartbreak

[20:07:03] tr [T] <login> Do the proper rules of conduct include beating those who are close to you if they do wrong?

[20:07:23] tr [T] <login> What if you have a child and then find out they aren't developing well socially? what do you do?

[20:07:49] tr [T] <login> Frogorg got out at the right time?

[20:08:01] tr [T] <login> the beatings were a symptom

[20:08:04] tr [T] <login> !bang

[20:08:43] tr [S] <Fred> hi hi hi

[20:10:46] tr [T] <login> The bullies become peaceful, and the bullied become bullies

[20:11:03] tr [T] <login> It's on us not to trigger

[20:11:10] tr [T] <login> Do you go to therapy, sushi-chan?

[20:12:10] tr [T] <login> it's infinity 90 deg off, Mikoolo

[20:12:38] tr [T] <login> She had then, then realised she couldn't raise you well?

[20:12:52] tr [T] <login> But you raised yourself into 29 years going strong!

[20:13:03] tr [T] <login> kuzo daro?

[20:14:02] tr [T] <login> But you do have issues that need to be worked through and come to peace with

[20:14:15] tr [T] <login> We're all throwing stones from glass houses though

[20:14:40] tr [T] <login> There's no need

[20:14:51] tr [T] <login> There is a lot of mudslinging here anyway

[20:15:18] tr [T] <login> "loving healthy smacks" is an oxymoron

[20:15:35] tr [S] <Fred> dont say that guys

[20:16:34] tr [T] <login> Your mum failed in raising you well. It's no surprise though: half of all parents are below average in that skill

[20:16:59] tr [T] <login> That kind of diversity is needed in the world

[20:17:05] tr [T] <login> A wholly peaceful world does not advance

[20:17:12] tr [T] <login> it stagnates

[20:17:36] tr [T] <login> It's the same reason we need or have a prevalence of ~15% of morally inflexible people

[20:17:45] tr [T] <login> and ~85% of morally flexible people

[20:18:04] tr [T] <login> Your mum should be saying sorry to you

[20:18:16] tr [T] <login> And should say she's proud of you for taking care of yourself that she couldn't

[20:18:27] tr [T] <login> I think that would go a long way towards healing illfeeling

[20:19:47] tr [T] <login> What does +g do?

[20:20:08] tr [T] <login> ah i see

[20:20:16] tr [T] <login> only approved list people can send you a pm?

[20:20:58] tr [T] <login> Can anyone think of a bad sushi-chan trait? I haven't found even one so far

[20:21:41] tr [T] <login> i see, so that's +g mode

[20:22:24] tr [T] <login> There's definitely something

[20:22:30] tr [T] <login> needs to be looked into

[20:22:38] tr [T] <login> with one or more professionals

[20:23:35] tr [T] <login> Psychology is still more pseudo than hard science

[20:23:53] tr [T] <login> on good terms*

[20:24:45] tr [T] <login> Doesn't seem to be a good coping mechanism

[20:24:53] tr [T] <login> Mine is usually to cry

[20:25:02] tr [T] <login> kicking to let 'steam off'

[20:25:32] tr [T] <login> And we all have our quirks

[20:25:38] tr [T] <login> that we have to manage

[20:26:19] tr [T] <login> he's an independent researcher of python

[20:26:32] tr [T] <login> It's not study when he's having fun learning knowledge

[20:26:47] tr [T] <login> he should replace that with water

[20:27:05] tr [T] <login> I don't think he's 'catching on quick' with python

[20:27:37] tr [T] <login> Get a water gun

[20:28:28] tr [T] <login> h4: tldr; don't kick randomly, it has a chilling effect

[20:29:08] tr [T] <login> should respect others' time

[20:29:24] tr [T] <login> ADHD-like attention span is a zero-interest rate phenomenon

[20:30:16] tr [T] <login> record it, and go to small claims court to get a payout

[20:31:22] tr [T] <login> Or you can tell them there is a commotion and it doesn't inspire confidence in the safety of the neighbourhood

[20:31:47] tr [S] <phish> helo

[20:31:53] tr [T] <login> hello phish

[20:31:53] tr [S] <phish> can i offer u an egg in this trying time?

[20:32:08] tr [T] <login> yes, an egg would be good. but they're so expensive

[20:32:29] tr [S] <phish> wouldn't know my neighbor just gives them to me

[20:32:37] tr [T] <login> did you hear, the net worth of egg-laying hens is now greater than that of the world's richest billionaire

[20:32:43] tr [T] <login> just based on eggs laid per month

[20:33:19] tr [T] <login> calling the cops for no reason is a crime too

[20:34:00] tr [T] <login> i mean for loud sounds at night

[20:34:16] tr [S] <phish> stamped is common

[20:35:11] tr [S] <phish> i just love the fact that kalishnikov and eugene stoner became great friends

[20:35:47] tr [S] <phish> 3 or 1 MatCat

[20:35:58] tr [T] <login> who's an FFL?

[20:36:11] tr [T] <login> isn't milling more time consuming than stamping?

[20:36:48] tr [T] <login> it doesn't make sense that they would try the more expensive technique and then go cheaper

[20:37:08] tr [T] <login> i see

[20:37:10] tr [S] <phish> bent sheet metal vs removing material from a block

[20:37:18] tr [S] <Fred> hello

[20:37:19] tr [T] <login> so they milled until they could get the stamp right

[20:37:38] tr [T] <login> incrementally cheaper

[20:37:44] tr [T] <login> but fixed cost of R&D was higher

[20:37:44] tr [S] <phish> 1000x faster prob no exaggeration

[20:37:55] tr [T] <login> is it really that fast?

[20:38:01] tr [S] <phish> stamping sheet metal? yeah

[20:38:06] tr [T] <login> sushi-chan: nyan cat

[20:38:07] tr [S] <phish> once you're tooled up

[20:38:37] tr [T] <login> that will take their LSD to the next level

[20:39:24] tr [T] <login> ComputerTech/rizon: how does the common person gain common intelligence if it isn't that common?

[20:40:51] tr [T] <login> i haven't told anyone

[20:41:06] tr [T] <login> I grew up in Country A, have the nationality of Country B, and am currently in Country C

[20:41:23] tr [T] <login> well, it's not that much of a secret, but it is on TechNet and Rizon

[20:42:15] tr [T] <login> those are not the starting letters though

[20:42:41] tr [T] <login> !bang

[20:42:44] tr [T] <login> !reload

[20:42:46] tr [T] <login> !bang

[20:42:49] tr [T] <login> !bang

[20:42:58] tr [T] <login> good thing it jamme

[20:43:21] tr [T] <login> xeon3040/rizon: soz

[20:43:57] tr [T] <login> Volvo is chinese

[20:44:14] tr [T] <login> car brand

[20:44:35] tr [T] <login> jameson is french? thought it was irish

[20:55:50] tr [T] <login> If the police don't do their job protecting property, and people have no right to own guns, then is it just the 10 commandments keeping things from getting equalised?

[20:56:48] tr [T] <login> Mikoolo: you mean fewer

[20:57:35] tr [T] <login> isn't the job of the police to ensure only the state has a monopoly on violence?

[20:57:41] tr [T] <login> i.e., to infiltrate and take gangs out

[20:58:31] tr [T] <login> DoctorGoatLips

[20:59:08] tr [T] <login> i hear sharpshooters who can't get a job doing other things between competitions offer their services in a clandestine way

[20:59:52] tr [T] <login> Anybody who can't catch on quick on how to shoot just doesn't have common intelligence ;)

[21:00:38] tr [T] <login> hello

[21:01:09] tr [T] <login> it was a message framed on the one ComputerTech had sent on fixing engines

[21:02:26] tr [T] <login> yeah, and that is putting the legal issues aside

[21:05:58] tr [T] <login> a jury looks at reasonableness based on outcome, not circumstance

[21:06:20] tr [T] <login> but so is using a gun for self-defence

[21:06:58] tr [T] <login> Is one allowed to carry a knife for self-defence in England?

[21:07:03] tr [T] <login> in many places that is now illegal

[21:07:16] tr [T] <login> only knife that can be carried is the one you bought from the store, unopened

[21:07:42] tr [T] <login> i think even that metal straw with a pointy end is not allowed

[21:08:02] tr [T] <login> self-defence is not prepeditated

[21:08:06] tr [T] <login> *premeditated

[21:08:29] tr [T] <login> oh, so no self-defence weapons allowed

[21:08:40] tr [T] <login> the only thing deterring violence is the lack of need for it

[21:09:04] tr [T] <login> is that illegal?

[21:09:21] tr [T] <login> what about carrying a plastic fork?

[21:10:11] tr [T] <login> i guess yeah, that's true

[21:10:33] tr [T] <login> is that a silencer?

[21:10:43] tr [T] <login> an extended barrel?

[21:11:13] tr [T] <login> it won't be murder, but it can be manslaughter

[21:12:03] tr [T] <login> So, the idea that the threat of violence is what keeps violence at bay is no longer true and is an antiquated concept

[21:12:08] tr [T] <login> People are socialised not to be violent

[21:12:48] tr [T] <login> it's so that it sounds like spitting right?

[21:13:41] tr [T] <login> MatCat: i see

[21:14:11] tr [T] <login> No door-to-door sales either, i imagine

[21:14:44] tr [T] <login> MatCat: main reason is non-gun-free zones adjacent to gun-free zones

[21:14:52] tr [T] <login> with no border control between them

[21:15:16] tr [T] <login> a gun sign is not border control though

[21:15:36] tr [T] <login> that's true

[21:16:04] tr [T] <login> !bang

[21:16:06] tr [T] <login> !reload

[21:16:08] tr [T] <login> !bang

[21:16:11] tr [T] <login> !bang

[21:16:18] tr [T] <login> thank you, everybody

[21:16:28] tr [T] <login> I have a question though, ComputerTech

[21:16:33] tr [T] <login> Was that violence?

[21:16:49] tr [T] <login> I thouhgt I was supposed to avoid violence

[21:17:00] tr [T] <login> But that duck was my property

[21:17:05] tr [T] <login> well, not claimed yet

[21:17:46] tr [T] <login> MatCat: getting that permit requires validating that you're a good citizen

[21:18:07] tr [T] <login> so there's no reference from a dentist required?

[21:18:37] tr [T] <login> concealed i mean

[21:19:01] tr [T] <login> so in 27 states, you can't tell if any adupt has a gun on them or not

[21:19:05] tr [T] <login> *adult

[21:19:22] tr [T] <login> man, does everybody talk to everyone else very very peacefully or not at all then?

[21:19:55] tr [T] <login> if anybody on the street asks you, 'have you got change', you know they aren't scared of a shoot out, so you just give them some change?

[21:20:16] tr [T] <login> that would just cause a lot of stress

[21:20:44] tr [T] <login> can't they get a gun on credit?

[21:20:48] tr [T] <login> and pay the loan back with change?

[21:20:58] tr [T] <login> it seems like a sureshot money earner

[21:21:29] tr [T] <login> because you know they've trained themselves in the art of de-escalation?

[21:21:38] tr [T] <login> and aren't prone to reckless violence?

[21:22:07] tr [T] <login> the riskiest place is a place where half the people are armed

[21:22:42] tr [T] <login> it's the product of the prevalence of bad intention in a population

[21:23:51] tr [T] <login> My understanding is, if you think the bad intention is high, you have high bad intention

[21:23:58] tr [T] <login> if you think the bad intention is low, you have low bad intention

[21:24:07] tr [T] <login> i.e., your belief about the population shapes your own behaviour

[21:24:19] tr [T] <login> yes

[21:24:41] tr [T] <login> true

[21:25:04] tr [T] <login> others who hear you say 'there is a lot of bad intention out there' should assume you have it too

[21:25:30] tr [T] <login> while if you hear someone 'i don't understand why people commit crime', you should assume they won't commit crime either

[21:26:36] tr [T] <login> MatCat: there is no way to defend yourself against a gun

[21:26:41] tr [T] <login> unless you run far far away

[21:26:53] tr [T] <login> with a table or shield?

[21:27:17] tr [T] <login> tbh, i think carrying shields and bulletproof clothing might be better

[21:28:18] tr [T] <login> Nowadays, you are scrutinised further if you try to get a visa and they know you've been trained in weapons

[21:29:10] tr [T] <login> When I see someone with a gun, I get a feeling that they're scared for their life

[21:29:35] tr [T] <login> That is why kindness first, gun second

[21:30:12] tr [T] <login> MatCat/rizon: well, that is true

[21:30:30] tr [T] <login> they do hide those though

[21:30:49] tr [T] <login> imagine being an asshole without a gun

[21:31:03] tr [T] <login> So much pressure to be kind

[21:31:29] tr [T] <login> If nobody else has a gun, I would not need one either

[21:31:41] tr [T] <login> Florida

[21:32:18] tr [T] <login> Florida was a lie

[21:32:28] tr [T] <login> W = permit?

[21:32:48] tr [T] <login> ah, i see

[21:33:09] tr [T] <login> I see

[21:34:14] tr [T] <login> the reason the gun is concealed is to put others at ease, right?

[21:34:51] tr [T] <login> Well then, imagine testing everybody and anybody who is not fit to hold a gun is put in a jail or hospital etc.

[21:35:20] tr [T] <login> it's not a gentle society

[21:36:03] tr [T] <login> You don't want the bad guy to think you don't have a gun and then be surprised

[21:36:07] tr [T] <login> you want them to see the gun and not approach you

[21:36:17] tr [T] <login> Even a fake gun can deter crime

[21:36:54] tr [T] <login> how will you conceal such a big gun?

[21:37:08] tr [T] <login> try a musical instrument \g

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