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[00:05:21] ski oh, and hi Hotties

[01:57:50] ski hm, i think i've seen it (or something similar), months ago or something

[03:40:19] ski nini

[03:40:48] ski CT's still up

[03:41:09] ski tea

[03:41:44] ski um, some blackcurrant flavored black tea

[03:42:13] ski (maybe i'll sleep after it)

[03:43:13] ski mm, me either

[03:43:21] ski peppermint's nice :b

[03:48:29] ski .. which is ?

[03:49:03] ski (me, or Crocker ?)

[03:49:46] ski saw it mentioned a few days ago, was thinking about it

[03:51:37] ski seeing them reminded me of : "Tact Filters" by Jeff Bigler in 1996,2006 at <https://www.mit.edu/~jcb/tact.html> ; "Fanspeak" by Cally Soukup in 1999 at <http://www.fantasymaps.com/stuff/fanspeak.html>

[03:51:47] ski nice, Syndus

[03:53:19] ski (oh, also of : <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postel's_principle> (including criticism) ; <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy's_law> ; "The Power of Negative Thinking" (in Communications of the Association for Computing Machinery) by Talin (aka David Joiner) in 1997-07,1999-08 at <https://viridia.org/talin/negativethinking.html> .. a bit more distantly)

[03:54:11] ski (pins ?)

[03:54:35] ski in hand and arm ?

[03:55:50] ski thirty eight was screws ?

[03:56:58] ski oh .. yea, that makes more sense

[03:58:18] ski people also tend to say i look younger, i guess

[03:58:35] ski (my mother says people regularly think she's ten years younger)

[03:59:13] ski NiniGeo2 : it seems to me it could be applicable (with some caution), to people's communication, as well

[04:00:51] ski do those pins hurt much ?

[04:01:14] ski NiniGeo2 : yea. but now also consider the criticism to the rule/principle

[04:04:09] ski (it seems to me the criticism can be understood partly in terms of saying not everything is best modelled with subtyping (being contravariant in inputs and covariant in outputs), but sometimes you want (possibly bounded) (parametric) polymorphism .. e.g. you get passed a packet, including some information you understand, but also possibly some extra things you don't know how to deal with. so, when you

[04:04:15] ski pass on the packet record (possibly modifying fields you know), you don't necessarily erase the other fields, but may pass them on, for future compatibility)

[04:04:57] ski er .. i wasn't quoting anything, right now

[04:06:17] ski Syndus : but i was referring to Postel's principle / Robustness principle, (as well as to "Fact Filters", and "Crocker's Rules", before)

[04:07:02] ski anyway .. maybe seven years back or so, i got a fractured elbow .. but there was no operation or so, i just got a mitella, and a thick rubber band to do physiotherapeut exercises with

[04:08:30] ski Syndus : hm, that last one looks kinda like Obama, especially if you cover the top part of the head

[04:10:39] ski NiniGeo2 : yea, the problem there is that flaws can be tolerated and undetected for a while, causing larger problems down the path. compare with a compiler that tries to guess what you meant, and actually applies those guesses to your source, compiling to object code ..

[04:11:49] ski sometimes, you do want to be yelled loudly at, early, if something's off, even if there's a high chance that one can guess what was probably intended. bad to let such things accumulate, and also to not be alerted of it, get into bad habits

[04:13:37] ski mm

[04:13:57] ski it's interesting to ponder, thinking about pros and cons of different approaches

[04:14:56] ski (and i appear to see analogies to type systems, specifically subtyping vs. parametric polymorphism (aka generics))

[04:17:18] ski what kinda game is that ?

[04:19:44] ski (i think there's a Let's Player called "icanhascupquakes" or somesuch ..)

[04:20:26] ski that sounds amusing, NiniGeo2 :b

[04:21:53] ski is it a song of some kind ?

[04:24:58] ski hm, i've heard of "infected mushroom" (perhaps unexpectedly)

[04:25:10] ski gn, NiniGeo2, pleasant dreams

[04:27:38] ski oh, it is a song

[04:38:49] ski (reminds me slightly of "Night Witches" by Sabaton at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YPo8zDkvy4>)

[04:40:03] ski "green card" ?

[04:43:21] ski privateers back in the day had gunships

[04:44:48] ski i've played Civilization and Colonization

[04:45:01] ski i'm not particularly good at strategy games, though

[04:46:43] ski (also played some Dune 2,Dune 2000,Heroes of Might & Magic (I,II,III). hm, Populous,Populous 3)

[04:47:23] ski ah, yes, i played SimCity (the original), too :)

[04:47:33] ski (not on PC, though)

[04:48:44] ski yea, the Myst games are great :) .. also later played some of the King's Quest games

[04:49:11] ski didn't Atari have superious sound chip ?

[04:49:31] ski i remember there being a feud between Amigans, and Atarists

[04:50:58] ski hm

[04:51:44] ski didn't really have monochrome screens

[04:52:26] ski (well, my programmable pocket calculator had an LCD which was obviously just two colors .. got it at six and a half years age)

[04:52:49] ski that's nice, MatCat :)

[04:53:21] ski (found some for cheap, at flea markets)

[04:53:47] ski sounds curious, Syndus

[04:53:56] ski (never played any of those two, though)

[04:54:12] ski older brothers were into the demo scene

[04:54:41] ski i believe C64 was not as common in the U.S.

[04:55:38] ski yea, but wasn't there also other comparable microcomputers, that people were also using much, around the same time ?

[04:56:49] ski login : have not tried it. judging from what people say about it, in programming and math channels, you definitely can't trust it (and it sounds very sure of itself)

[04:57:34] ski Syndus : GEOS ?

[04:59:02] ski GEOS (if it's the same thing you're talking about, not sure), was available for the C64 .. with a windowing system, mouse support, spreadsheet, word processor, ..

[05:00:34] ski there are some initiatives (like Scratch, and BYOB / Snap!), for encouraging the young generation to experiment and be creative, try hands-on, with programming

[05:01:23] ski it's so easy, now adays, for people to just consume stuff, and not be creative themselves, learn some skills while having fun

[05:03:32] ski no worry

[05:05:44] ski are you saying you used (or wanted to use) it for making graphs and charts of various forms, related to home and garden planning, &c. ?

[05:05:59] ski (sorry, trying to parse what you said)

[05:06:37] ski yea

[05:07:21] ski i never had a SNES .. later i played some on emulation

[05:08:03] ski ah, categorized the magazines themselves

[05:09:37] ski (one might perhaps call it an "action visual novel / RPG" .. or something)

[05:10:45] ski hm, hadn't heard of that, no

[05:12:27] ski hm ?

[05:13:46] ski hm, i liked playing "Elvira - Mistress of the Dark", by Horrorsoft (later Adventuresoft, known for "Simon the Sorceror") .. includes maybe ten different (gory) death scenes of yourself

[05:14:48] ski Cassandra something, iirc

[05:18:34] ski "Pinball Dreams","Pinball Fantasies",(and "Pinball Illusions", which i didn't play) by Digital Illusions (later DICE, who made hm, Battlefield series) were awesome

[05:20:02] ski hm, i remember watching Xena. possibly some Hercules as well, can't rightly recall

[05:21:07] ski lohi Hotties

[05:21:48] ski ah

[05:23:51] ski login : it's probably the speech-to-text that does that

[05:25:24] ski it's fine, Syndus. long practice in reading typo. this isn't too bad

[05:26:08] ski well .. some people just consistently made very many typos, and some grammar and formulation mistakes as well

[05:26:22] ski (perhaps dyslexia or something. i dunno)

[05:27:56] ski maybe "CompuTech", for short ?

[05:29:41] ski login : "purpose because"

[05:31:57] ski perhaps "You heard what i meant"

[05:32:30] ski perhaps Syndus's internal word sequences got the order wrong

[05:32:43] ski i do note that mine sometimes seem to get confused

[05:35:07] ski call their head

[05:39:56] ski snakes has a vomeronasal / Jacobson's organ. horses and cats to, too. it's used to pick up on larger pheremones. snakes taste the ground with their tip of tongue, then place the tip in the ceiling of their mouth, where there's an opening to the organ. humans also have such a hole in their mouth ceiling. it's unknown whether the organ has atrophied in humans, though. if not, we're not consciously aware

[05:40:02] ski of sensations coming that way

[05:40:16] ski cats pull up their upper lip, when they use it

[05:40:27] ski ("Flehmen response")

[05:42:13] ski that's interesting

[05:43:20] ski some people might be cabbage-brained

[05:44:50] ski crab soup ?

[05:45:37] ski presumably, since they're reproducing

[05:47:00] ski well, i suppose human evolution might be going faster, nowadays

[05:48:00] ski well, "good times make weak men, weak men make .."

[05:48:59] ski definitely glucose

[05:49:32] ski who did, login ?

[05:49:48] ski oh, right

[05:49:56] ski i guess that may've been manual, with fingers

[05:55:36] ski (flower ?)

[05:55:50] ski makes sense to time stuff

[05:55:55] ski ah, i see

[05:58:19] ski (i haven't even been drunk)

[05:58:40] ski i've been high .. on math, though

[05:58:50] ski (not meth. mathematics)

[05:59:49] ski it is, too

[06:01:24] ski but when you've been banging your head against the wall for a while, regarding some problem domain you're interested in, and you suddenly get an insight, after walking through slightly different examples for the `n'th time, you get a high, an elation, that makes all the pain worth it, especially if it's something you think noone else have ever thought of

[06:02:16] ski yea, it's not same as e.g. hallucinogens

[06:09:38] ski ah .. remember Geocities

[06:10:33] ski i sometimes look up old Geocities pages, on Web Archive

[06:11:09] ski looks like e-mail

[06:12:12] ski i remember first time i was on the internet (on a exhibition/convention thing, i think). i looked up Quenya, and C64 stuff

[06:12:38] ski Tolkien elvish letters

[06:12:55] ski learned how to write my name in them

[06:15:44] ski on WikiPedia ?

[15:06:09] ski bonjour, sushi-chan. g'tag, h4

[15:06:19] ski Fensta : several smaller wheels ?

[15:07:30] ski sushi-chan : there's a programming language (kinda) called "Coq" .. there are some jokes regarding the name

[15:07:57] ski (Coq is named after Thierry (& Catarina) Coquand)

[15:08:40] ski Fensta : hm, that might work, too

[15:09:29] ski (chocolate contains theobromine, which is also a drug)

[15:10:08] ski istr hearing you'd have to eat seventeen kilogrammes or somesuch, to risk physical addiction or so

[15:12:02] ski there's also a sister language to Coq, called Agda. it's named after a slightly lewd song by a trobadour, about hens and a rooster

[15:12:29] ski sushi-chan : tradition

[15:12:57] ski you think chocolate should be banned ?

[15:13:16] ski Fensta : who ?

[15:13:44] ski morn, Compy

[15:14:43] ski h4 : his spirit lives on ?

[15:16:00] ski sushi-chan : what, you mean you can't make a climbing rope out of your hair ?

[15:17:01] ski "tjattra"

[15:17:55] ski sushi-chan : perhaps there are people here who only understand swahili, or tagalog, and they don't speak, since they don't understand us

[15:18:21] ski because of ComputerTech's charming nature, obviously

[15:19:09] ski h4 : you'd have to ask him

[15:19:40] ski what if one wraps one brain in tinfoil ?

[15:19:48] ski (preferably inside the skullbone)

[15:21:58] ski sushi-chan : wifi is like people talking in the same room. if there's multiple people talking, they can talk over each other. so one or both will try to back off, not stepping on each other's speech, resulting in slower transmission of information

[15:23:03] ski h4 : yea, if it's only a few, or not much communication, it wouldn't be noticable

[15:24:02] ski sushi-chan : what about when you sleep ? does it take the opportunity to get farther away again ?

[15:24:58] ski sushi-chan : makes perfect sense

[15:26:11] ski sushi-chan : that's some deep symbolism

[15:26:40] ski clearly your newborn baby symbolizes your desire for caffeine

[15:27:09] ski sushi-chan : don't you feel like born anew, after you'd had morning coffee ?

[15:29:08] ski dunno about the pengines, though

[15:30:19] ski \g : i think that can often be the case. although that can in some sense be "random", too

[15:31:11] ski sushi-chan : do the penguins mill around, more or less aimlessly, in various different directions ?

[15:32:28] ski sushi-chan : maybe you're both saying and dreaming about silly stuff, because that's what you're thinking about. or maybe common cause lies in subconscious (perhaps affected by external factors)

[15:32:45] ski sushi-chan : oh, and btw, i wasn't really serious about my dream interpretation

[15:33:41] ski (although i do think dreams can, sometimes, contain symbols. patterns kinda fit together by subconsious, that doesn't necessarily make complete sense, because your brain subconscious isn't done processing the patterns)

[15:33:56] ski oy, ComputerTech

[15:34:46] ski sushi-chan : what's your spider dreams about

[15:35:22] ski i remember having a few dreams with spiders in them. usually when exploring some kind of cave or tunnels, with some spiders hanging from ceiling, causing me to carefully go around or under them

[15:35:51] ski although i don't remember having any spider dreams in a long time

[15:36:27] ski sushi-chan : "queue" .. like standing and waiting for the bus ?

[15:37:28] ski sushi-chan : called "False awakenings"

[15:37:38] ski it's not too uncommon

[15:37:38] ski yess

[15:38:08] ski have you ever went to sleep, in a dream ?

[15:38:29] ski h4 : sounds like sleep paralysis

[15:38:34] ski (i've experienced that)

[15:38:47] ski it's not quite a dream, proper

[15:39:02] ski it's your brain having woken up, but your body is still asleep, paralyzed

[15:39:24] ski people commonly think they're dying, when having sleep paralysis

[15:39:27] ski it can be very scary

[15:39:53] ski and if you're not calm, you can easily start to experience what appears to be creepy or evil surroundings

[15:40:16] ski it's quite possible that the original notion (and word) "nightmare" comes from sleep paralysis. it occurs in all cultures

[15:40:56] ski h4 : i didn't either

[15:41:37] ski sushi-chan : sleepwalkers can have open eyes. i've seen my brother do this

[15:41:52] ski yes

[15:42:02] ski well, they're confusing what they see, with dream imagery

[15:43:08] ski once, after i've been up for more than 48 hours, i was walking home (night). but i kept falling asleep, but somehow kept walking. then woke up, confused, trying to figure out where i was, where i was supposed to be going. then started to fall asleep again, confusing things in front of me with dream imagery. repeat

[15:44:50] ski h4 : my brother sat up in bed, eyes open, and said "I can't see". my other brother held up his hand, with some number of fingers (say three) in front of him, and asked "How many fingers am i showing you?". he answered "Three". so we told him he could see. he laid down again, continuing sleeping, after that. didn't remember a thing, next day

[15:46:20] ski sushi-chan : i'd think they wouldn't try to kill someone, unless it appeared in their dream to be someone/something threatening, that they had to defend themselves from

[15:46:35] ski but i could easily see accidents happening, with sleepdriving

[15:47:01] ski i've dreamt several times i've been chatting on IRC

[15:47:15] ski but often it'd been more like i've been "in the channel", somehow

[15:48:28] ski h4 : fireworks in her pants ?

[15:50:03] ski sushi-chan : that sounds funny :) .. hm, i can't remember such a dream. i've some number of times dreamt about cats being present in the dream. not so seldom, i've been carrying cat outside, trying to get somewhere, while trying to calm cat down, and also trying to keep ahold of it so it doesn't run away and possibly get hurt

[15:51:30] ski .. outch .. my legs. i can't really go down on the floor, with legs pointing opposite ways, to the sides

[15:52:03] ski sushi-chan : call it the planet Anti-Tellus

[15:52:17] ski it's on the oposite side of the sun, so it can never be seen

[15:54:26] ski h4 : yea, the Lagrange points are cool. iirc SOHO (solar observator) is in one of them, always inbetween Earth and Sol

[15:55:39] ski sushi-chan : hm .. there's some custom Minecraft level, where there's no ground, just sky. in the sky, there's floating a bunch of different (square, obviously) planets. you can try to build bridges from the one you start on, to reach the others (having different resources)

[15:56:30] ski sushi-chan : watching new people getting charmed, and terrified, by Minecraft, can be fun, yea

[15:57:43] ski from the milkman ?

[15:58:13] ski okay

[15:58:18] ski take care, sushi-chan

[15:58:43] ski (take a bath ?)

[15:59:02] ski wouldn't it be scenic ?

[15:59:21] ski it fell on them ?

[15:59:33] ski oh

[15:59:37] ski yea, i see

[16:00:09] ski apparently there's some dude who's survived multiple times getting struck by lightning

[16:00:38] ski car acts like faraday cage, which should help shelter

[16:02:01] ski my brother once tented in a forested area (on an island). during the night, there was a large thunderstorm. it was so close he couldn't measure distance, and so many strikes they went into each other

[16:02:24] ski in the morning, he noticed some trees near him had been struck, some partially falling down (against other trees)

[16:02:53] ski \g : snuggling around your ankles, so you almost stumble ?

[20:06:20] ski which ones do you consider best, ooc ?

[20:06:42] ski fair point

[20:07:28] ski vamp : sleepless dreams .. like microdreaming, when up and about ?

[20:10:49] ski yea, i saw that quit

[20:11:04] ski hm, right. yours broke

[20:11:18] ski hm, dunno that term

[20:11:28] ski (although i think i saw it yesterday, somewhere)

[20:12:02] ski ah

[20:14:53] ski finnish surname ?

[20:16:00] ski from what i understand, finnish pronounciation is rather close to how it's spelled

[20:36:30] ski snakes on the attic ?

[20:38:31] ski looks like it's in some outdoor bush

[21:04:55] ski related to syndicalists, Mikoolo ?

[22:11:53] ski s/huh/huh/

[22:13:04] ski hm

[22:13:12] ski ComputerTech : s/huh/huh/

[22:13:16] ski ok, good

[22:14:01] ski i'm forward

[22:14:10] ski i don't believe so

[22:15:10] ski MatCat hasn't been active here, yet, last hours

[22:16:30] ski np

[22:17:55] ski there might be a video "can you train a snake to bite?", too

[22:18:17] ski cold rain ?

[22:18:51] ski somewhere out there, in the universe, there's probably a german planet

[22:19:08] ski did you catch it, and let it out ?

[22:19:50] ski i take the rain is not cold, then

[22:20:39] ski once, i woke up by a wasp flying in through the slightly ajar window above where i slept. i caught it in a bottle, and ran out to release it

[22:25:55] ski why, foxy ?

[22:27:51] ski ComputerTech's an official, you know. he'd know

[22:28:30] ski irish666 : mojibake

[22:30:10] ski now i wonder who started on TechNet

[22:30:27] ski that's nice, CT

[22:30:35] ski gotta involve the younglings

[22:32:23] ski not sure when i first registered

[22:34:18] ski foxy was in need of you, MatCat

[22:35:40] ski you should shake your fist now, ComputerTech

[22:37:10] ski aren't birds kinda dinosaurs ?

[22:40:36] ski Ahsoka : try something like "You fight like a dairy farmer."

[22:51:27] ski Ahsoka : another option would be spraypainting the mirror from inside ?

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