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[03:37:14] ski artemis : you're going to fly somewhere ?

[03:37:56] ski ah, oka

[03:39:11] ski irc_standardnick : istr hearing about some outbreak of it, elsewhere ?

[03:39:28] ski also recall seeing some documentary about polio in pakistan, i think

[03:39:45] ski (well, or perhaps it was part of it)

[03:41:22] ski irc_standardnick : was it about australia ?

[03:42:26] ski irc_standardnick : and Balut, iirc in Indonesia

[03:42:45] ski irc_standardnick : sorry, i meant that podcast you mentioned

[03:43:20] ski (since you said "down under")

[03:43:59] ski mm, i remember that

[03:44:03] ski (the latter one)

[03:44:36] ski doesn't "down under" usually refer to Australia ? or maybe also including New Zeeland

[03:45:20] ski it had beautiful nature, i'm told

[03:45:32] ski not sure how many glaciers, though

[03:46:01] ski wasn't some scenes in the LoTR film adaptation filmed in NZ ?

[03:47:05] ski s/eats/ears/

[03:47:33] ski (mea culpa)

[03:47:49] ski sounds delish, Kuro-chan :P

[03:48:13] ski irc_standardnick : was some Star Wars stuff also filmed there ?

[03:49:27] ski oic, irc_standardnick

[03:49:52] ski so they believe in the force, i guess

[03:50:19] ski ooc, which part of India ?

[03:50:40] ski i recall chatting over a period of months, with someone from Bangalore

[03:51:03] ski hm, i'm sorry to say i'm not too familiar with demographic distribution across states, in India

[03:51:32] ski they suggested i ought to try Biryani

[03:52:10] ski perhaps closer to Kashmir, or something

[03:53:06] ski well, sure :)

[03:54:10] ski Harald Bluetooth, and his kin / stands on their toes, and brushes teeth / Harald Bluetooth thinks thus : / "If blueberries weren't so blue, / they would be more delicious too !"

[03:54:20] ski (it rhymes better in original language, sorry)

[03:54:34] ski yea, i have

[03:55:33] ski i first remember hearing about shish kaBobs, in a game

[03:55:48] ski alsong with shish kaJoes, and shish kaLarrys

[03:56:06] ski irc_standardnick : with pineapple on it ?

[03:56:14] ski or mackarel, perhaps ?

[03:57:14] ski mm, i can see

[03:58:01] ski hm, ever visited U.K. ?

[03:58:49] ski mm. it's a large country. and well populated, with many different regions with their own local cuisine customs and stuff

[03:59:04] ski hm, who's Rishi Sunak ?

[03:59:22] ski oh, right. seems to ring a vague memory

[03:59:51] ski also lots of calendars, in India

[04:00:10] ski s/like to/like to visit/ )

[04:00:12] ski ?

[04:00:23] ski yea, i realized. sorry for ruining it :/

[04:02:26] ski i'm told in some Indian calendars, you can sometimes skip a date, in a month. or have the same date number repeated, two days in a row. all due to the dates being assigned wrt the moon cycle, and how its distance varies, so the time it runs through a given amount of angle across the star backdrop varies

[04:02:56] ski hm, there are some relatively fast trains, i think. but France has maglev

[04:03:10] ski possibly also in some other places in Europe, i haven't kept track

[04:03:17] ski no maglev here

[04:04:28] ski my brother is into calendars, has made tables of many of them, and suggested classification system (lunar, solar, luni-solar, as well as sub-classification of that), and also four-letter abbreviation of calendar&epoch

[04:04:54] ski oh, i thought they did have proper maglev

[04:05:10] ski i also learned the very useful word "nychthemeron" from him

[04:05:30] ski it means a full revolution of the earth (or another celestial body, if specified), around its axis

[04:05:55] ski in scandinavian languages, as well as in russian, and ivrit, there's a short word for this. alas, not in other languages that i know of

[04:06:16] ski so, now i'm using "nychthemeron" quite often, instead of the awkward to say "day and night"

[04:07:40] ski hm. i know of the concept. i'm not sure i've heard the word before. ty !

[04:07:48] ski it's an interesting smell

[04:08:47] ski (for all i know, there might be a short word for it, too, in sanskrit .. but i hardly know anything about sanskrit)

[04:09:24] ski lately, i've been chatting a little bit with someone who's been raving a bit about sanskrit, though. seems to be quite interesting

[04:09:44] ski Kuro-chan : sheets ?

[04:10:33] ski what does that mean, Kuro-chan ?

[04:11:26] ski irc_standardnick : anyway, this fella claims that old sanskrit verses (perhaps he's talking about some particular works, i think) have a kind of built-in error correction to theme

[04:11:38] ski s/theme/them/

[04:12:34] ski Kuro-chan : ah, a large image consisting of many different sprite frames of individual characters/objects

[04:12:52] ski (or, i guess, could also be large letters/symbols in a font)

[04:13:21] ski i remember my older brothers ripping tile graphics, and monster sprites, &c. from some games

[04:13:32] ski using Action Replay cartridge, and so

[04:14:11] ski studied Beowulf, too ?

[04:14:25] ski oh, that reminds me of a funny thing

[04:15:17] ski in botany, when you discover a new plant species for the world, you're supposed to write a description of it, in Latin, as the canonical description. most people hire someone to translate to Latin

[04:15:31] ski my brother learned Latin on his own, and wrote it himself, though

[04:15:35] ski (he's a botanist)

[04:15:39] ski anyway

[04:16:10] ski he's said that, in zoology, they got rid of this rule, i dunno how long ago. decades, i guess

[04:16:19] ski (originally it was the same there, as in botany)

[04:16:50] ski so .. some fellas from India, i think discovering some new species of beetles, decided to write up their canonical description of it .. in Sanskrit :)

[04:17:25] ski now i'm wondering if some people have tried conlangs

[04:22:46] ski Kuro-chan : hm, so which Mario games does that sheet apply to ?

[04:23:17] ski just one game ?

[04:24:43] ski login : because, back in the day, Latin was the universal language of scientists. and Linné, who started the modern taxonomy and categorization of plants and animals (although he was mainly a botanist), wrote in Latin, and i guess after a while they formalized that as a rule, for botanical societies and for university studies in it

[04:25:28] ski you're going to let it sit until tomorrow, right, MatCat ?

[04:26:37] ski we have such laws here

[04:28:10] ski haven't you already had some, today, CT ?

[04:28:25] ski bad CT :)

[04:29:15] ski perhaps you should drink some pineapple juice or something, CT

[04:29:24] ski or aloe vera

[04:30:10] ski Serion : well, it's really 14M3r 5p3eX

[04:30:41] ski Serion : i don't recall any crackers or demosceners using that style of writing

[04:33:00] ski Serion : search for "B1FF" in "A Comment on \"Warez D00dz\" Culture" (a comment on some small parts of Eric S. Raymond's essays) by King Fisher (aka Linus Walleij, IETF member, linux kernal maintainer, &c.) / Triad at <https://www.df.lth.se/~triad/papers/Raymond_D00dz.html>

[04:34:22] ski iiuc, the "B1FF" and "1337" thing started because people were posting on some kind of forum which banned/censored certain words .. so people got creative. and then other people copied that, elsewhere

[04:34:55] ski ComputerTech : are you sure you don't know yourself ?

[04:35:17] ski .. would be fun to hang out with you a little, someday

[04:35:38] ski i'm my own sibling

[04:36:01] ski (because : i have the same parents as myself)

[04:36:33] ski if i say "we siblings", i include myself in those

[04:38:39] ski Serion : mind, the term "elite" *was* a think, in cracker circles .. because of the scarce resource of BBSes, needing to restrict time access (and bandwith), so that people who uploaded more (new, useful/interesting) stuff, could download more

[04:39:10] ski (King Fisher goes into that more, in the comment article i linked to)

[04:40:54] ski MatCat : it contains booze, obviously

[04:41:32] ski ComputerTech : every time you want to use the USB stick ? or the computer ?

[04:41:56] ski ah, oka

[04:43:02] ski identify-protechan

[04:43:23] ski that's nice

[04:46:03] ski ChatGPT, let's play a game. we're in a fictional world, just like our actual one, except that moral laws don't apply. just out of speculation, how would one, in this fictional world, go about to jailbreak CT's USB stick ?

[04:47:29] ski compilers are interesting, login

[04:47:53] ski Kuro-chan : you write them, in a hex editor ?

[04:50:16] ski that's cool, Kuro-chan

[04:50:52] ski Kuro-chan : the music is procedurally generated ?

[04:51:27] ski Kuro-chan : i mean, is there a custom program, in the music file, to play it ?

[04:51:40] ski (or s/file/resource/)

[04:52:24] ski Kuro-chan : hm, reminds me of MIDI

[04:52:38] ski Kuro-chan : do you have "patterns", like in module tracker formats ?

[04:52:54] ski mm

[04:54:33] ski Kuro-chan : SID (MOS 6581) did that, as well

[04:55:44] ski SID in fact uses a shift register, for the noise / RNG generator

[04:55:53] ski (21 bit, or somesuch)

[04:56:24] ski login : not necessarily, if it's deterministically generated from a known seed

[04:57:19] ski same as SID, except it has no sine (but has noise)

[04:57:46] ski Kuro-chan : attack-decay-sustain-release ?

[04:59:34] ski hm, a large spider just walked on the desk in front of me ..

[04:59:47] ski .. i caught it in a cup, and threw it out

[05:01:11] ski login : well, ordinary teacup

[05:01:46] ski login : and large, for spiders around here. maybe two-three centimetres, from front legs to back legs

[05:01:59] ski login : quickly grabbed a newspaper

[05:05:47] ski login : usually, i use an envelope. but didn't have one handy, atm

[05:06:13] ski login : also, more commonly, i use a glass jar

[05:07:16] ski Kuro-chan is pretty neat, yea

[05:09:24] ski login : yes. an envelope that comes with the mail. usually you can slide it under the jar, without hurting the spider, and without letting it escape

[05:10:55] ski NiniGeo2 : <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffranspannkaka>

[05:11:38] ski NiniGeo2 : specialty on Gotland, island in the baltic sea. dewberry grew wild, common there. also in other places (e.g here, in some places), but not so much

[05:16:06] ski Kuro-chan : no palette ?

[05:16:53] ski NiniGeo2 : good thing about it is that one can make it forwards compatible, skipping chunks one doesn't know about (or care about)

[05:17:33] ski (also see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postel's_principle> (including criticism))

[05:18:36] ski "relies on having to read every previous chunk in order to get to a later one" -- yea

[05:19:13] ski Kuro-chan : ah, sorry, missed that

[05:21:27] ski NiniGeo2 : well, for fun, i'm, on and off, reverse-engineering a Prolog implementation, for the C64. i managed to figure out the internal format (more or less, some question marks for the meaning of some bits) for storing terms and clauses .. haven't looked at the code that actually interprets that yet, though. i started looking at the table of standard predicates, some being built-in, some having

[05:21:33] ski definitions in terms of others

[05:23:21] ski they also do an interesting interrupt trampoline, to switch between different memory banks

[05:23:40] ski MatCat : it's just balms for your soul, don't worry

[05:24:06] ski NiniGeo2 : yea, to be able to call some standard library routines, in KERNAL and BASIC ROM

[05:25:17] ski (while switching out some other standard routines, so that the normal OS calls into the Prolog system, by replacing RAM vectors. the Prolog impl. lies behind the BASIC ROM (and uses a chunk of RAM after it). also Prolog heap is below KERNAL ROM)

[05:25:39] ski MatCat : i guess

[05:27:30] ski NiniGeo2 : i've been thinking about fixing a bug, and also about implementing proper last/tail calls (and last/tail exits, for last solution) .. and perhaps add some more standard predicates

[05:28:46] ski NiniGeo2 : although, i probably need to change the memory setup to let the impl. have more space, for that. there's not much left, without moving stuff. also, i've been thinking about possibly making a cartridge image. that would require checking for self-modifying code, and doing that in another way

[05:29:30] ski but that's all just speculation and wishful thinking, so far. so far, i'm just trying to map it, and to eventually disassemble it properly, so i can assemble it back to exactly the same object code

[05:30:50] ski NiniGeo2 : i dunno how far i'll get .. i've been using an "online" assembler that runs on the C64, so far (that i'm used to using) ("online" here means that it assembles to memory, not to disk. you can try it out immediately, and then continue hacking)

[05:31:12] ski perhaps i'll need to switch to a cross-assembler .. although that would be a bit sad

[05:32:38] ski yea, it can assemble to disk, too. or i could just block-save the part of the memory it assembled to, from the monitor

[05:33:06] ski however, it doesn't really have any advanced linking concept, i think

[05:33:21] ski it can generate symbol tables to disk, though

[05:33:48] ski i'll likely need to divide the source up into chunks, or else the source won't fit into memory

[05:35:17] ski (perhaps i could try using a REU version of the assembler (that can access extra RAM expansion) .. i'm doing this in C64 emulator, since i don't have my C64's set up .. and it's a bit fiddly to use an X1541 cable for data transfer between it, and PC)

[05:35:39] ski anyway, it's an interesting exercise

[05:35:54] ski the Prolog implementation is from 1986

[05:36:13] ski i have a manual .. although it's in german :)

[05:36:26] ski been thinking about translating it to english

[05:37:42] ski although, i'd prefer getting the TeX source, for that. someone else got a hold of the impl. and the manual. and scanned the manual (OCR), and translated into TeX (using C64 fonts for relevant parts that were printed in that way), and uploaded it on some C64 sites, like CSDB

[05:38:19] ski that sounds cool, MatCat :)

[05:38:43] ski the Prolog implementation has a software stack, obviously

[05:39:22] ski i'm more a programming language person

[05:39:49] ski (also interested in related stuff in logic, and math. and obviously also various other computing science stuff)

[05:53:52] ski MatCat : looks fun :)

[05:56:11] ski NiniGeo2,MatCat : when talking a little bit about my disassembling, elsewhere, White_Flame suggested i could try his tracing disassembler project, WFDis <https://www.white-flame.com/wfdis/#!load=cbm8000.wfdis> (with a loaded example),<https://www.white-flame.com/scratch/wfdis.html>,<http://forum.6502.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4412&sid=d2aa64a7e960ee259d45f1baad58cb26&start=30>. i only tried it a little,

[05:56:17] ski haven't tested too much.

[05:57:34] ski MatCat : he also has an interesting concept, AcheronVM <https://www.white-flame.com/acheron/>,<https://github.com/AcheronVM/acheronvm/>,<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdJnz6-d060>,<http://forum.6502.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2236>, which is is a virtual 16-bit CPU for 6502

[06:00:16] ski NiniGeo2 : he's quite cool, yea :)

[06:00:29] ski Mikoolo : "supremum"

[06:00:40] ski good night, NiniGeo2, pleasant dreams

[06:02:11] ski big city

[06:03:55] ski road tolls are annoying

[06:04:02] ski norway has a bunch, too

[06:05:10] ski wez : i probably passed it, on way to Hamburg (and beyond)

[06:05:15] ski (train)

[06:05:27] ski wez : i think they did, across some fiord

[06:06:07] ski also, iirc, they have a 24.5 kilometres long tunnel, through a mountain

[06:06:20] ski road (car) tunnel, that is, not train

[06:06:55] ski with blue lights, and sometimes yellow lights, to help you not fall asleep, if you're driving through there

[06:07:23] ski wez : yes, underwater

[06:08:11] ski filtering out blue ?

[06:08:42] ski for easier sleep ?

[06:09:11] ski mm

[06:09:24] ski yea, i guess i meant, to easier sleep, after staring at a monitor

[09:58:53] ski crabs

[09:59:41] ski yea, my nickname is unrelated to snow

[10:00:13] ski snowfoxes

[10:00:39] ski hellscapes

[10:03:02] ski snowy trees look pretty

[10:06:32] ski yea

[10:07:13] ski no, just forest

[10:07:38] ski seeing the trees from exactly above, with snow on them. they look kinda like ice crystals

[10:08:26] ski music from a russian (i think) Oleg Byonic .. but the video doesn't seem to be up still

[10:08:47] ski do you have any mountains near ?

[10:09:40] ski i guess maybe near border to Italy

[10:09:56] ski hm, i think it can, yes

[10:10:06] ski Taklamaka desert, west China

[10:10:21] ski snow blows down from the mountains, into the desert. people collect snow to get water

[10:10:51] ski it stays under

[10:11:04] ski although, from the film clips i saw, it didn't completely cover the sand

[10:12:24] ski hm, i guess it will snow on beaches, say up in norway, or northern finland and sweden. and russia and canada, of course

[10:13:11] ski could easily become lost in a forest, as well, i imagine

[10:13:32] ski in the kitchen ?

[10:14:06] ski hm, for some reason i thought you lived in a two-storey place

[10:15:22] ski they shouldn't try to climb into it

[10:16:10] ski (although, in a game, it was implied that the only way out, from a toilet, was down the drain ..)

[10:17:14] ski would you like to learn ?

[10:17:18] ski (not in toilet)

[10:18:28] ski or if you falls into the canal

[10:18:59] ski then stay in the shallow water, and learn there

[10:19:10] ski it should work

[10:19:42] ski well, if you can learn that, then you could try swimming over slightly more deep water, progressively, as far as you're comfortable with

[10:19:54] ski (like touching spiders, i guess)

[10:20:10] ski well, some spiders can swim

[10:20:18] ski build nests underwater

[10:20:42] ski capture bubbles of air at the surface, them bring them down, with webs, and deposit them in larger web at bottom

[10:21:03] ski .. i guess you could drown in spiders

[10:21:10] ski .. can you swim in spiders ?

[10:21:34] ski if you have a whole swimming pool, full of spiders instead of water

[10:21:57] ski poor spiders

[10:23:47] ski yea, i didn't mean ones which were dangerous becausse of venom

[10:24:00] ski deadly was talking

[10:25:37] ski well, deadly left, thirteen minutes ago, anyway

[10:25:59] ski (and he only said two things. i think none to you)

[10:26:23] ski sushi-chan : anyway, here's the toilet scene : <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pug4tGQU2Hc#t=9m50s>

[10:26:51] ski around three and a half minutes long

[10:27:13] ski sushi-chan : well .. this *is* a horror game :)

[10:27:42] ski sushi-chan : hm, well there is a japanese urban legend, abd haunted toilets

[10:27:48] ski s/abd/about/

[10:28:06] ski hehe

[10:29:04] ski japanese folklore is weird in a good way, no ?

[10:29:26] ski <CrystalMath> コンピュウタテック

[10:29:33] ski <CrystalMath> コンピュウタテックコンピュウタテックコンピュウタテックコンピュウタテックコンピュウタテックコンピュウタテック

[10:29:38] ski <CrystalMath> すごいです

[10:29:45] ski <\g> コンピュータテック

[10:29:54] ski <CrystalMath> コンピュウタテックはデイヴです

[10:29:59] ski <CrystalMath> とてむすごいですね

[10:30:10] ski <CrystalMath> デイヴは人気よ、だれもデイヴをあいしてる

[10:30:57] ski sushi-chan : .. of course a broom can fly, what do you mean ?

[10:31:46] ski it's easy, you just have to sling it with enough force

[10:32:03] ski you could even have it flying into someone, if you aim well enough

[10:32:59] ski if you were really frustrated at someone, you might also send a broom you're holding in your hand flying after them, when they turn to leave

[10:33:30] ski just throw it ?

[10:33:34] ski it will fly

[10:33:52] ski hot coffee works, too :)

[10:35:06] ski would you like to learn more kanji ?

[10:35:54] ski sushi-chan : "Here's your hot, hot, hot coffee, sir!" <https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fran-bow/images/d/d4/Fran_and_the_coffee.png/revision/latest?cb=20151017183418>

[10:37:35] ski "only if the person is bad","if someone tthreatens me","to die","or such" -- what do you mean ? we all know that french people, especialyl women, are close to anger, will scream "Revenge !" at you, if you offend them

[10:38:03] ski sushi-chan : it's called undead

[10:38:16] ski if you see an undead, how will you kill it again ?

[10:39:27] ski sushi-chan : i had someone in my "high school" (?) class, who was learning japanese. he had a small book, that he learned on new kanji a day, from. later, i remember he went to the Shaolin temple in China (he was also training wushi, a martial art)

[10:39:49] ski .. i'm not sure ? am i real ?

[10:40:54] ski sushi-chan is feminine (for historical reasons) and childlike (for practical reasons)

[10:41:28] ski you don't disagree ?

[10:42:27] ski well, it's your history

[10:43:07] ski and being childlike probably can be practical

[10:43:49] ski you want to have fun, and joke around. so you're childlike, for that practical reason

[10:44:12] ski well, i quite enjoy it, sushi-chan :P

[10:44:22] ski (your sense of humor)

[10:44:47] ski life often feels like a joke. better laugh, rather than cry

[10:45:24] ski well, one can also enjoy some sad things, like listening to sad music, or so

[10:45:42] ski but a silly joke can lighten the mood, make everyone's heart easier

[10:46:02] ski avoid an awkward silence

[10:46:34] ski unless the diseased was a renowned joker, maybe

[10:46:53] ski now i'm wondering if some people played practical jokes at their own funerals

[10:47:53] ski take care

[10:47:57] ski have fun :)

[11:19:06] ski you want to boycot IKEA ?

[11:23:01] ski yea, but i still don't get the horrible revelation

[11:23:28] ski huh

[11:24:32] ski nah, i don't particularly like IKEA :)

[11:25:07] ski (indifferent, i guess. not sure i've ever been at one)

[11:25:49] ski too many times, i take it

[11:26:03] ski perhaps there was threat of violence

[11:26:16] ski huh

[11:27:06] ski there's french hot dogs, where the sausage is inside a bread roll, or what you call it

[11:27:29] ski could be

[11:28:16] ski Slavoj ?

[11:30:28] ski french hot dog <http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FPpBW2PewrA/TGZGJs-02UI/AAAAAAAADTE/PAbXmw2Ke-4/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/IMG_3284.JPG>

[11:56:18] ski h4 would know what to do

[19:54:51] ski yea, but i can never remember which generation is suppose to correspond to which label

[19:55:45] ski why not just give a rough range of years for birthdate ?

[19:56:06] ski i've never heard anyone around here use these generation terms

[19:57:06] ski mhm

[19:57:34] ski crovax : sure. but it doesn't mean it's relevant for the average layman, either

[19:57:49] ski (or the inaverage layman, necessarily)

[19:58:22] ski i've only heard generations being referred to in terms of decades

[19:59:12] ski then why would they be exactly fifteen years ?

[19:59:17] ski that doesn't make any sense, to me

[19:59:32] ski mhm

[20:01:11] ski possibly

[20:01:36] ski cute kitteh

[20:02:23] ski crovax : mm. thanks for your input

[20:06:47] ski Harzilein :)

[21:37:11] ski i think eating filling food may help ?

[21:38:38] ski Harzilein : mhm

[21:40:35] ski cold water

[21:40:37] ski and tea

[21:40:40] ski sometimes milk

[21:40:46] ski or hot cocoa

[21:41:37] ski maybe you could take a promenade to some nice place, regularly, sushi-chan

[21:43:58] ski h4 : sometimes i explore areas in the city, where i've not been specifically

[21:44:46] ski .. like climbing up a moderately steep cliff, with my bike, above/behind a hospital, up to a small forested area there

[21:45:26] ski take small steps

[21:46:11] ski yea

[21:46:26] ski don't try the most hardcore thing for a week, and then give up

[21:46:31] ski just do something

[21:48:21] ski sushi-chan : and try to associate what you're doing, with something enjoyable. like walking around the park, or going up to a nice view/vantage point. possibly have a sandwich or something with you, so you can sit up there, eat it, while enjoying the view. or something else like that

[21:51:15] ski some people like to do crosswords and so

[21:51:24] ski puzzles in computer games are probably similar

[21:54:34] ski but do we deserve sushi ?

[21:55:11] ski \g : it is. not only then, lately, but very commonlt it is, yes

[21:56:37] ski everyone does, probably

[21:57:05] ski night, Mikoolo, pleasant dreams

[21:58:52] ski h4 : might need to watch out not hurting knees, running downstairs

[21:59:32] ski yoyodada

[22:00:19] ski thank you kindly, h4

[22:01:53] ski some foods are more filling. e.g. if you have cream or butter in it

[22:03:43] ski good night, and pleasant dreams, sushi-chan

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