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[01:42:37] tr [T] * ~therock247uk sips his beer

[03:00:10] tr [T] <&nitecore> lol

[03:01:40] tr [T] <&nitecore> lol

[03:01:45] tr [T] <&nitecore> like catdog ?

[03:23:05] tr [T] <&nitecore> !bang

[03:23:12] tr [T] <&nitecore> !reload

[03:23:18] tr [T] <&nitecore> !shop 1

[03:37:52] tr [T] <+login> why buy single bullets, nitecore?

[05:14:44] tr [T] <+login> is it flavoured milk?

[05:14:57] tr [T] <+login> /flavored

[05:21:22] tr [T] <+login> ty NiniGeo2

[06:26:18] tr [T] <+login> a lot of coffee comes from peru now

[06:26:58] tr [T] <+login> https://www.statista.com/statistics/1096413/main-export-countries-for-coffee-worldwide/

[06:33:54] tr [T] <+login> throne

[07:56:11] tr [T] <+login> !bangno

[07:56:22] tr [T] <+login> !bangyoucantakeit

[07:57:45] tr [T] <+login> mrinfinity, have you seen the movie 'i am not an easy man'?

[07:58:24] tr [T] <+login> if you don't want to watch the movie, then here's the explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrTRqceO3FE

[08:08:13] tr [T] <+login> it's a good movie

[08:08:43] tr [T] <+login> is there a sparkling coffee?

[09:05:27] tr [T] <+login> why?\

[09:12:18] tr [T] <+login> nieces*

[09:12:31] tr [T] <+login> is it because they talk to you from across the room?

[09:22:18] tr [T] <+login> And soon, the number of people younger than you can also be expected to be lesser, if 'you' are a person of a future generation

[09:23:06] tr [T] <+login> Mikoolo: will they be using it or will their parents?

[09:23:57] tr [T] <+login> 'polish up'? sounds ESL to me

[09:24:20] tr [T] <+login> *'polish up on'

[09:24:47] tr [T] <+login> Perhaps you can reveal to me what your niece and nephew will use their megaphone for

[09:25:29] tr [T] <+login> I genuinely cannot think of a reason for your niece and nephew to use a megaphone

[09:25:38] tr [T] <+login> Are they going to a protest?

[09:25:54] tr [T] <+login> lol

[09:26:19] tr [T] <+login> I guess I have to make my peace with it

[09:26:31] tr [T] <+login> No obligation to share

[09:26:46] tr [T] <+login> You're German

[09:27:23] tr [T] <+login> I did not say you were ESL, only that your text there read like ESL ;)

[09:27:43] tr [T] <+login> Hope your niece and nephew enjoy their megaphones

[09:35:36] tr [T] <+login> lol

[09:35:42] tr [T] <+login> So it was a hypothetical

[09:35:53] tr [T] <+login> I guess you won't let us know why you had that thought

[10:17:28] tr [T] <+login> japan is a weird place - very lax rules around the kinds of things that can be produced and distributed

[12:31:59] tr [T] <+login> how does one find peace with one's fate?

[12:32:38] tr [T] <+login> i use entertainment

[12:33:04] tr [T] <+login> that nice place that Mikoolo linked is so big

[12:33:56] tr [T] <+login> im too scared to do drugs

[12:34:02] tr [T] <+login> and don't want to lose money to it

[12:35:29] tr [T] <+login> but they aren't alive to have feelings

[12:36:19] tr [T] <+login> they're just substances

[12:39:11] tr [T] <+login> smooth as teflon

[12:46:20] tr [T] <+login> .ud bussy

[12:50:33] tr [T] <+login> i got a philips sonicare ad today

[12:50:43] tr [T] <+login> but i know they aren't reading my irc

[12:51:04] tr [T] <+login> maybe i searched for it... but i dont remember doing so

[15:28:28] tr [S] <phish> np

[15:37:13] tr [S] <phish> same

[21:17:23] tr [S] <@Dragon> gj

[21:40:31] tr [T] <+login> the protesting guy should have gotten his say

[21:41:08] tr [T] <+login> he had a badge

[21:41:51] tr [T] <+login> yeah, i guess this dude wasn't vetted

[21:42:38] tr [T] <+login> if you are eccentric enough to protest, then there's a non-zero chance you'd pull a knife

[21:44:05] tr [T] <+login> while oil is non-renewable, not enough effort is being put into energy efficiency

[21:44:27] tr [T] <+login> delete 'while', add ', and not'

[21:45:13] tr [T] <+login> well, i guess that is true lol

[21:46:05] tr [T] <+login> that's why you moved around so much, ahsoka

[21:46:20] tr [T] <+login> as soon as you said 'moved around the states', i thought 'military'

[21:47:11] tr [T] <+login> depends on the kind of law

[21:47:51] tr [T] <+login> and even uni doesn't get you up to professional level

[21:48:44] tr [T] <+login> is there any apprenticeship component? working in an actual law firm?

[21:49:17] tr [T] <+login> oh yeah, legal clinics

[21:50:07] tr [T] <+login> does it allow you to move to other places and practice their law?

[21:51:14] tr [T] <+login> you'd lose that suit

[21:52:46] tr [T] <+login> in the other fields, it doesn't teach you enough to start practicing

[21:53:27] tr [T] <+login> and there are rules that don't allow graduates to practice on their own, only under someone who's 'certified'

[21:53:47] tr [T] <+login> and being 'certified' requires having 5+ years of experience under someone else who was certified

[21:54:14] tr [T] <+login> So, if you can't get accepted under anyone, you can't strike out on your own even as a graduate

[21:54:48] tr [T] <+login> ^ I think at least some might be

[21:55:54] tr [T] <+login> as a dentist?

[21:56:58] tr [T] <+login> she seems quite opportunistic

[21:57:12] tr [T] <+login> so what did she want in return for not reporting?

[21:57:58] tr [T] <+login> metaphorically?

[21:58:51] tr [T] <+login> Isn't this just racism against polish dentists?

[21:59:26] tr [T] <+login> If the practices are different, does it mean Polish people's teeth are worse-treated?

[21:59:58] tr [T] <+login> Unless he graduated high school early having skipped grades

[22:02:47] tr [T] <+login> is it age discrimination? he's too young so what happened in PL?

[22:05:23] tr [T] <+login> they know it takes 6 years, so he's too young to be a dentist

[22:05:30] tr [T] <+login> so how did he become a dentist so quickly?

[22:24:40] tr [S] <@Dragon> hooray for facial hair

[22:56:55] tr [T] <+login> so everything matche sup now, the polish guy's first job as a dentist, and he's already getting struck off

[22:58:03] tr [T] <+login> *matches up

[22:58:23] tr [T] <+login> They think the Polish guy faked his degree...

[22:59:06] tr [T] <+login> or cheated in the exams or something... and instead of just chalking it up to incompetence, they're associating his polish education with it

[22:59:24] tr [T] <+login> i.e., it's the same thing as if a guy solves a difficult equation, the teacher says "he's smart"

[22:59:41] tr [T] <+login> if a girl fails to solve a difficult equation, the teacher says "girls aren't smart"

[23:00:03] tr [T] <+login> it may very well be true that he did not do it the way it's done in norway

[23:01:10] tr [T] <+login> they didn't hold his hand and ease him into work

[23:01:23] tr [T] <+login> they'd do that for any new graduate, even in medicine

[23:01:39] tr [T] <+login> He didn't have any other union representative

[23:01:46] tr [T] <+login> and perhaps in poland, the main safety net is from family

[23:02:15] tr [T] <+login> he should have rescheduled the meeting to get a union representative

[23:02:21] tr [T] <+login> they would have known all the tricks

[23:02:38] tr [T] <+login> More dentists means more teeth fixed... and there is no lack of teeth to be fixed in norway

[23:03:20] tr [T] <+login> The main mistake was operating on a patient without being sure

[23:03:26] tr [T] <+login> It's a culture difference too

[23:03:46] tr [T] <+login> You shouldn't feign confidence... first do no harm

[23:04:02] tr [T] <+login> If he had a difficult patient and needed advice, he should have sent the patient home

[23:04:42] tr [T] <+login> Ideally, the clinical leader should have informed that she is working 50% hours, and made a plan for difficult cases

[23:04:56] tr [T] <+login> Imagine putting a new surgeon in the operating room with the leader on 50% hours

[23:05:28] tr [T] <+login> Many experienced dentists will also not operate on difficult cases without consultation

[23:06:14] tr [T] <+login> > during the caries removal the one of the canals got exposed. I told the patient that he had 2 options. Either we could do a root canal, but since the crown of the tooth was very weak from before we most certainly had to make a dental crown after the RCT. And the other option was extraction. The patients chose to extract the tooth because of economical issues.

[23:06:34] tr [T] <+login> Is it correct to have the patient choose based on economics?

[23:06:57] tr [T] <+login> Yeah, some group input would have been good

[23:07:06] tr [T] <+login> The clinical leader made a mistake by not being on consultation

[23:07:19] tr [T] <+login> *being available to consult, even if virtually

[23:09:05] tr [T] <+login> registering the wrong tooth surface - was that a basic mistake?

[23:09:29] tr [T] <+login> there was no overview of the electronic medical software either

[23:10:11] tr [T] <+login> if there really is no standard UI for these things, then shouldn't induction involve showing the software?

[23:10:41] tr [T] <+login> And he wasn't willing to be difficult about training

[23:11:14] tr [T] <+login> > Well, at my university I learned that we should be careful to probe too hard, because it can provoke irreversible damage and boost the lesion's progression.

[23:11:25] tr [T] <+login> This would have been a thing that would only be realised during practice

[23:11:49] tr [T] <+login> How many times does a pre-practice dentist look at and probe for caries to know how hard to probe?

[23:12:19] tr [T] <+login> So this might have been a failure of university instruction, to not have picked up the "right" way to do it

[23:12:40] tr [T] <+login> But could this have been something like how people hold pencils in different ways when writing?

[23:13:05] tr [T] <+login> Is the polish guy differently-handed than the clinical leader?

[23:15:00] tr [T] <+login> I think the over dentist insulting the degree would not have happened if a union representative were present

[23:15:43] tr [T] <+login> i don't think it can be

[23:15:49] tr [T] <+login> but note-taking can be allowed

[23:16:05] tr [T] <+login> > My sixth mistake: I can’t define the surfaces of a tooth. -- this could have been very damning

[23:16:40] tr [T] <+login> > The dental hygenist had given the clinical leader a report of concern about my clinical skills and general dental knowledge because she overheard me talking to one of my patients from another room -- bad social skills?

[23:17:18] tr [T] <+login> That they didn't give him the list of 17 mistakes beforehand to defend himself

[23:17:30] tr [T] <+login> if he had got a medical malpractice lawyer in there with him

[23:21:11] tr [T] <+login> He shouldn't have quit after 3 weeks

[23:21:29] tr [T] <+login> If they can show a pattern of foreign dentists all being pushed away this way - it can become a huge norweigian scandal

[23:21:42] tr [T] <+login> *norwegian

[23:22:25] tr [T] <+login> He should have asked whether he should do his last year in Norway again?

[23:22:29] tr [T] <+login> does Norway allow that?

[23:22:41] tr [T] <+login> they can speak english pretty well from what i hear

[23:25:35] tr [T] <+login> > with a dentist who will be my supervisor for the next 6 weeks

[23:25:40] tr [T] <+login> i thought it was going to be 6 months

[23:26:33] tr [T] <+login> Why?

[23:26:53] tr [T] <+login> yeah, i guess it could be taken that way

[23:28:21] tr [T] <+login> big egos i suppose

[23:28:57] tr [T] <+login> Compare that level of expectation of politeness with how polite the norwegians were to this polish new-dentist

[23:29:28] tr [T] <+login> He got 'cancelled' from the norwegian dentistry community - and i'm sure lots of dentists in norway will read this reddit post

[23:30:26] tr [T] <+login> he didn't push back on anything

[23:31:03] tr [T] <+login> they needed emergency treatment, but he doesn't know what

[23:31:13] tr [T] <+login> they basically cut him off

[23:31:39] tr [T] <+login> are there no other polish dentists in norway - that seems to be the hope of getting back in

[23:31:49] tr [T] <+login> someone who has an actual intrinsic reason to mentor this new-dentist

[23:32:24] tr [T] <+login> someone who can care for this person and show some softness

[23:33:13] tr [T] <+login> Chance can really fuck with a person's prospects in their early career

[23:34:16] tr [T] <+login> The boundary between practice and education is not smooth

[23:34:52] tr [T] <+login> Doesn't norway have an interview and shadowing that they have to do in order to admit a person into the dentistry guild essentially

[23:35:08] tr [T] <+login> I know GPs have this - no matter where they've studied

[23:36:05] tr [T] <+login> norway's dentistry professional association

[23:40:40] tr [T] <+login> The court of public opinion is more damaging than an actual court case to the norwegian dentistry community

[23:41:50] tr [T] <+login> Now, everybody in the worldwide dentistry community that uses reddit and browses r/Dentistry is like a jury - this polish new-dentist went directly to the nuclear option

[23:47:31] tr [T] <+login> but immigration is harder there

[23:47:41] tr [T] <+login> in-EU has no barrier

[23:47:54] tr [T] <+login> *intra-EU

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