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[06:12:54] ski Forth and Lisp are interesting

[06:15:04] ski Kumool : "if else is to be avoided?" -- huh ?

[06:15:24] ski i suppose

[06:16:11] ski pastebin ?

[06:16:25] ski (mostly curious about what you meant)

[06:16:36] ski hm .. curious

[06:16:56] ski to me, it sounds like an over-simplification

[06:17:22] ski (trying to reduce things to bare minimals so much that things start becoming less clear and more complicated)

[06:18:51] ski (but yea, i know branches in machine code normally either continue to the next instruction, or branch away somewhere, rather than branch into two alternative destinations .. althouhg, i think LLVM may do the latter, with basic blocks ?)

[06:19:34] ski "The Lisp Among Us" ?

[06:20:11] ski might be curious, seeing such a game

[06:21:03] ski (still, `if ... then' is not really comparable to branch instructions, i'd say. because the `...' part has an exit, while you don't return from a branch)

[06:22:17] ski Kumool : well .. i generally agree that it often helps to have smaller units of code. and often fewer parameters can help

[06:22:42] ski that said, sometimes a piece of code seems to naturally acquire more parameters, or become a larger piece of code

[06:22:51] ski (handling many different cases, say)

[06:23:29] ski (also, it may be a chore coming up with sensible names .. and non-sensible names can be worse than not splitting up, imho)

[06:24:13] ski this is Color Forth ?

[06:25:12] ski okay. that sounds like useful advice, to me

[06:27:11] ski btw .. one thing that can often help with mazes of conditionals (depending), is pattern-matching

[06:27:52] ski iof a notation for pattern-matching in a concatenative language, years ago

[06:28:05] ski s/iod/i recall thinking about/

[06:29:14] ski btw, booleans, in one sense, is *about* choosing between two alternate paths of code

[06:30:08] ski (that's also a common representation used in compilers. to compile a boolean expression, you pass in two labels for the `true' and `false' destinations, and emit code for the boolean expression that will eventually go to one or the other label)

[06:30:49] ski (storing a boolean as a bit, then, is just a persistent storage mode for this dynamic interpretation)

[06:32:10] ski (in terms of Church represenation, `Bool', which means `1 + 1', is logically equivalent to `forall o. o * o -> o' .. taking two paths as input, and selecting one of them)

[06:32:27] ski parasocial ?

[06:34:28] ski btw, just to show how such a pattern-matching Forth-like might look like, here's `length' for a linked-list

[06:35:03] ski : nil length := 0

[06:35:05] ski | cons length := drop length 1+

[06:35:07] ski ;

[06:35:44] ski perhaps i should try to make a sample implementation, some time

[06:36:09] ski mhm ?

[06:40:13] ski Kumool : yea (read the whole quoted section in the book), i agree

[06:41:16] ski Kumool : hmm .. i see. i prefer real pattern-matching than the weaker `switch'

[06:41:47] ski (destructuring, in terms of Lisp. but also choice between alternatives. and the ability to nest patterns)

[06:42:25] ski i could also imagine it becomes harder to implement efficiently, using finite maps to stand in for `switch'

[06:42:44] ski will you pick the duck, now ?

[06:44:30] ski NiniGeo2 : idelly logarithmic in cases, yea

[06:46:40] ski NiniGeo2 ^

[06:54:07] ski well, the point is that memory access is not constant

[06:54:33] ski (btw, when i say "map" i include hash tables as well)

[07:04:04] ski linked lists are okay, as a control structure

[07:19:07] ski you like Squeak ?

[07:23:59] ski mhm, fair enough

[07:50:02] ski oy

[12:21:03] ski moinmoin

[12:22:16] ski mora : you can turn it off, also in Windows, i believe

[12:22:39] ski mora : accessibility settings, i think

[12:30:25] ski mora : tunnel ?

[12:30:46] ski Rudolph : yikes

[12:31:16] ski i know you've mentioned it, briefly. hadn't seen the pics, though, or heard details much

[12:40:31] ski was wondering whether it was a metaphorical or physical tunnel

[12:40:42] ski but no need to talk about it, if you don't feel like

[12:41:40] ski what happened last month, in that case ?

[12:44:06] ski no worry, i don't mind

[12:44:24] ski four at once sounds like an ordeal :(

[12:45:47] ski some river overflowed ?

[12:46:05] ski oh, internal plumbing

[12:46:33] ski hope you got it under control, soon enough

[12:46:42] ski yeh, can imagine :/

[12:47:23] ski some of the plumbing was old and broke ?

[12:47:37] ski (well, not "old and broke" in that sense ..)

[12:49:19] ski oh .. dear

[12:51:01] ski .. and your friend ?

[12:51:32] ski good to hear

[12:51:59] ski denial about some condition, i surmise

[12:53:08] ski (old children's book .. well, i heard it on tapes, but whatever)

[12:58:22] ski try <https://gunshipmusic.bandcamp.com/track/fly-for-your-life>, maybe ?

[16:48:09] ski bonjour

[16:49:10] ski (feet teeth sounds .. painful)

[16:50:13] ski oy

[16:50:35] ski they harvest seaweed around here, for some restaurants, as well

[16:51:30] ski hm, apparently they have things in the ground, in pulbic parking spaces, in Japan, that keep your care there, until you pay up

[16:51:35] ski s/care/car/

[16:52:37] ski left side, itym ?

[16:53:48] ski hm, in "Alice: Madness Returns", there's a japanese chapter. with samurai wasps, and ant villagers. and jade and porcelain statues

[16:54:44] ski eight hours in a third of a day ..

[16:54:56] ski .. i wonder what's located in the other third of the day ..

[16:55:02] ski .. probably just the ocean

[16:55:15] ski tres bien

[16:55:37] ski non pas du tout

[16:56:27] ski you usually don't come across as stumbling with english, sushi-chan

[16:56:56] ski because they don't want to speak english, at least partly, i suspect

[16:57:22] ski i guess noone's forcing them

[16:58:18] ski well, i'm sure tourists don't mind it that much .. isn't it like a known french trait, part of the course ?

[16:58:49] ski you make it sound like it's still like in the time of les miserables

[17:00:38] ski you do have some nice comic artists, though. François Bourgeon,Jacques Tardi,Enki Bilal,Jean "Mœbius" Giraud,Dìdier Comes,Pierre Christin, ..

[17:01:12] ski old buildings in Japan are often built to withstand earthquakes .. it's interesting

[17:01:22] ski sushi-chan's enabled

[17:02:05] ski Fensta : stiff upper lip and all that, yea

[17:02:22] ski .. or meditation ?

[17:02:45] ski oh, congrats, and happy birthday, then, Hotties ! :)

[17:02:56] ski also, hiya

[17:03:12] ski Fensta : .. perhaps book returns ?

[17:04:00] ski usually people notice earthquake, before the tsunami hits

[17:04:17] ski some time in the 1600s, i think, there was a tsunami without an earthquake. it was noted in records

[17:04:45] ski geologists think it was the cascade range in western U.S. which caused it, travelling across the ocean

[17:05:07] ski there's a big one, that's long overdue there. it's probably going to be quite large, since it's taking too long

[17:05:50] ski there's stories from indian tribes about canoes being found up in trees. and there's a place at the coast where a whole forest cut broken (and preserved by the salt, iirc)

[17:06:36] ski hm .. i think there was also a big part of a mountain, at a fiord, in Norway, which slid down into the sea at one time, causing a large tsunami

[17:06:53] ski there's a mountain there that's quite instable

[17:07:33] ski die tollest Mädchen des Kanal

[17:08:17] ski Fensta : i suppose you could try both ?

[17:08:35] ski sounds great, h4 :p

[17:10:03] ski "Boom Boom" does sound like it could be simple

[17:10:22] ski oh, that sounds great, deadly

[17:11:30] ski sushi-chan : .. hmm .. same was as you learn to type fast, without looking at the keys on the keyboard all the time, i imagine

[17:13:30] ski sushi-chan : here's some flute (and other instruments) : "Karuna" by Faun in 2007 at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mty9TEmdfc>

[17:16:05] ski to process grass

[17:16:23] ski birds have a stomach with rocks in it

[17:16:33] ski (because they have no teeth)

[17:16:45] ski oy ComputerTech

[17:17:28] ski it's a bit chilly, here

[17:18:42] ski raise *whose* hand ?

[17:19:00] ski i didn't think you could be betrothed to a ghost

[17:19:18] ski totentanz

[17:19:51] ski a little bit repetitive, don't you think ?

[17:20:12] ski well, at least it's a power of two

[17:20:42] ski hm, is there an echo in here ?

[17:23:36] ski sushi-chan : well, there's some other birds, too, i think

[17:23:49] ski isn't there a Mynah bird, which is quite good at imitating ?

[17:24:03] ski can imitate a chainsaw, or a camera clicking

[17:25:12] ski oh, i

[17:25:24] ski i'm thinking oe lyrebird here, <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSB71jNq-yQ>

[17:26:14] ski oh, cats often look around, when i meow at them, i think sometimes they think there's another cat nearby

[17:26:37] ski sushi-chan : was there another cat in the mall, though ?

[17:26:43] ski (another, apart from you, i mean)

[17:26:54] ski oh

[17:27:00] ski makes sense, then

[17:27:11] ski oh, i've heard of cat island

[17:27:14] ski in Japan

[17:27:26] ski no cat cafés ?

[17:27:30] ski ah, ic, Rudolph :)

[17:28:15] ski i remember some german cartoon our teacher had us watch sometimes

[17:29:46] ski in one of them, there was an older man, who seemed interested in an older lady, who fed the pigeons. apparently they were neighbours. one time, he dressed up like a giant pigeon, and climbed over to her balcony. once in her apartment, he noticed she had a lot of pigeon feathers around. and then he found she was killing them, presumably for food. the cartoon ended by her coming into the room, with a meat

[17:29:52] ski cleaver

[17:31:00] ski amoebas can devour over cells whole

[17:31:55] ski apparently you become very thirsty

[17:32:02] ski and start throthing at the mouth

[17:32:13] ski (hm, "frothing", maybe ?)

[17:33:00] ski at least you don't have Kure

[17:33:14] ski (unless you've recently eaten any brains of relatives .. ?)

[17:33:26] ski a prionic disease .. similar to mad cow

[17:33:48] ski there was a tribe in Papua New Guinea, who used to eat the brains of their dead relatives. especially the women did this, for some reason

[17:34:01] ski but then they started getting this disease, Kure, because of it

[17:34:24] ski prionic diseases are due to proteins malforming, and causing other proteins to malform, as well, making your brain into mush

[17:34:32] ski and if you eat that brain, you can get it as well

[17:35:02] ski monkey brains, though ?

[17:35:55] ski ty, ComputerTech :P

[17:36:14] ski but you like zombie films, right, sushi-chan ?

[17:36:29] ski hmm .. zombie ghosts ?

[17:37:10] ski sushi-chan : hm, i gotta find this short amateur scary japanese film, to show you

[17:38:02] ski sushi-chan : "My house walk-through" <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWXnt2Z2D1E>

[17:40:16] ski it's a good way to imagine you've got all kinds of diseases

[17:40:40] ski "oh .. maybe i have this .. but, um, i might have this, too !"

[17:41:14] ski reading a book about diseases causes of parasites like worms and the like isn't too nice, either

[17:42:18] ski but apparently Toxiplasma Gondii causes women to become more social, and weremen to become more careless .. or something like that

[17:42:27] ski might be related to the "crazy cat lady" thing

[17:43:15] ski (you can get it from cats. in mice, it causes them to be attracted to the smell of cats, and not run away from cats. this is so the cat will eat the mouse, and the parasite spreads to the cat. the cat doesn't die, but it spreads the eggs)

[17:43:46] ski it's not really dangerous to humans

[17:43:52] ski except if you're pregnant, iirc

[17:44:42] ski but apparently/supposedly it can cause people to walk out in the street without checking for cars (becoming more careless)

[17:45:03] ski because, at least in the mice, the parasite affects the brain of the host

[17:45:13] ski maybe, to some extent, in humans, too

[17:45:31] ski cocaine, or coabel ?

[17:46:33] ski sushi-chan : better to drink tea

[17:46:55] ski you shouldn't swear, sushi-chan

[17:47:34] ski i suppose, Rudolph

[17:47:50] ski but sushi-chan doesn't strike me as the cantankerous sort

[17:50:08] ski who's this "fuck-their-face", h4 ? an aquaintence of yours ?

[17:50:39] ski oh .. guess i'll have to remember that

[17:50:51] ski that's pretty funny, h4

[17:51:27] ski yes

[17:51:51] ski htireA

[17:52:17] ski sushi-chan : aha A e r i t h

[17:53:38] ski perhaps don't show pics, Rudolph ?

[17:54:53] ski hm, "manically" sounds like a interesting variant of the name "cally"

[17:55:19] ski it might be, h4, i suppose

[17:56:00] ski "-ski" is in Poland, i think ?

[17:56:07] ski "-sky" more in Russia

[17:56:28] ski people have sometimes asked me if i'm polish ..

[17:56:48] ski right

[17:57:02] ski nor "Marmeladov"

[17:57:14] ski sushi-chan : yea, "-ov" and "-evna"

[17:57:29] ski Sonya Kovalevskaya, too

[17:57:35] ski she's a famous mathematician

[17:57:53] ski moved to sweden. got private tutoring from Mittag-Leffler

[17:58:31] ski Mittag-Leffler is probably the reason why there's no Nobel prize in math. him and Alfred Nobel weren't best friends

[17:58:50] ski if there's been a Nobel prize, Mittag-Leffler would probably have qualified

[17:59:19] ski it's just a different language, what's the problem ?

[17:59:50] ski 2³ = 2⋅2⋅2 -- the superscript tells you how many times to multiply the "base" number with itself

[18:00:16] ski hm, someone i chatted with, from Alabama, claimed they didn't speak english, but spoke Alambamish

[18:01:05] ski sushi-chan : there's no shame in not being good in maths. people have talents and traits in different areas

[18:01:41] ski sushi-chan : my sister has that

[18:02:00] ski she's quite smart, still

[18:02:44] ski with whipped cream ?

[18:03:00] ski (who brings the whip ?)

[18:03:17] ski sponge cake, sushi-chan ?

[18:03:24] ski or you prefer maybe chocolate cake ?

[18:03:27] ski yea, but which kind ?

[18:04:45] ski h4 : better be some of those caramelized cherries on top

[18:05:00] ski and banana and grape

[18:07:56] ski hm, they already built a wall, over in U.K.

[18:08:01] ski Hadrian's wall

[18:08:09] ski to keep the picts out, iirc

[18:08:17] ski yes, the romans had it built

[18:08:30] ski to stop invasions from the picts, up in scotland

[18:09:36] ski sushi-chan : Floor Jansen's singing pretty nicely

[18:11:17] ski your 素敵だね isn't too bad, either

[18:12:10] ski yes

[18:12:21] ski (you've linked to it, before)

[18:16:31] ski people have preferences

[18:17:06] ski asia is a continent, last i checked

[18:17:17] ski (or a princess, depending on who you ask)

[18:17:28] ski yesterday

[18:17:44] ski hm, good point

[18:18:53] ski good chatting with you, sushi-chan :)

[18:19:00] ski take care, have a nice dinner !

[18:20:15] ski sic transit gloria mundi

[18:22:29] ski too late for farewells now

[18:22:47] ski oy

[18:23:35] ski (clear ? how can bacon be clear ?)

[18:23:53] ski hm, i could do that

[18:26:24] ski (there's a saying "clear as sausage broth" -- some people nowadays seem to think it means that something is very clear and unambiguous -- while, in actuality, it means the opposite. guess they haven't seen sausage broth)

[18:41:50] ski Rudolph : quite amazing

[18:49:03] ski are you sure he likes smörgåstårta ?

[18:50:19] ski what do you mean, be mean, what's the meaning of this ?

[18:50:44] ski perhaps he likes sticking close to the mean ?

[18:53:06] ski mean is also Wartenwert, i think ?

[21:22:36] ski Doktor Moraklocka

[22:21:19] ski surely yes

[22:21:37] ski wez : oh, btw, i enjoyed that Bill Bailey version

[22:22:40] ski Aerith : sounds tasty :p

[22:23:23] ski how you gonna do Model M, otherwise, huh ?

[22:24:16] ski you've got decorations up ?

[22:25:38] ski wasn't it august, just a short while ago ?

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