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[12:26:19] Frogorg hi

[12:26:43] Frogorg Mikoolo: can't, self-isolating because COVID

[12:27:15] Frogorg that's cold

[12:30:39] Frogorg Mikoolo "let's go for a walk" also Mikoolo "I don't want to expose myself to cold"

[13:47:58] Frogorg I should probably go back to work

[13:50:07] Frogorg no it's not

[13:50:12] Frogorg not everywhere is Northern Sweden

[13:58:27] Frogorg Herr h4

[14:09:23] Frogorg hmm, should I go back to work or take time off work to rest

[14:09:40] Frogorg one choice will bring me money, the other one might bring me joy

[14:11:22] Frogorg yeah but the time will be probably spent on Cities Skylines 2

[14:12:48] Frogorg I like it

[16:09:16] Frogorg hi

[16:53:39] Frogorg same

[17:00:01] Frogorg irish man

[17:00:31] Frogorg you or me?

[17:00:55] Frogorg yeah same, I've got covid

[17:01:01] Frogorg but I haven't lifted in 3 weeks

[17:01:21] Frogorg according to my doctor friend, I should be fine Saturday

[17:01:54] Frogorg it is painful

[17:03:12] Frogorg irish666: I blame mysterious sickness, Christmas and COVID

[17:04:11] Frogorg thank you, you stay strong!

[17:04:29] Frogorg mysterious sickness could have been just anxiety and failures in self care, but Idk

[17:04:36] Frogorg same

[17:05:38] Frogorg irish666: I might be physically weak, but I'm past feeling mentally weak

[17:05:46] Frogorg except diet. I absolutely suck at it

[17:06:53] Frogorg hmm, maybe I should get a poke bowl instead of pizza

[17:07:42] Frogorg no I'm not, but I'm striving to stick to diet as soon as this bullshit ends

[17:07:54] Frogorg it's hard to have a sensible diet when you can't leave home

[17:09:09] Frogorg I'm 100% self-reliant though

[17:12:22] Frogorg HelderHeid: hello

[17:12:52] Frogorg it's a bowl with rice, some protein filler and assortment of fruits and veggies

[17:14:29] Frogorg some fruits fit, such as pomegranate

[17:15:24] Frogorg that's why I said "fruits"

[17:42:00] Frogorg I'm disappointed with this poke bowl

[17:42:08] Frogorg literally half of it is rice

[17:42:39] Frogorg football?

[17:43:20] Frogorg Fensta: it's a bowl with some protein filler, rice and an assortment of veggies, sometimes with sauce

[17:43:25] Frogorg apparently, half of this one is rice

[17:44:54] Frogorg well I've said it because you can throw in any meat or tofu and it'll work

[17:49:02] Frogorg lol

[17:56:25] Frogorg HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE: right, for example Darrell Brooks

[17:56:29] Frogorg oh wait that was US too

[17:59:09] Frogorg h4: I'm inclined to agree with HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE though, I don't think USA's armed violence problem is a problem with guns themselves - outlawing guns would shrink these numbers, and nullify suicide by firearm or lethal firearm accidents, but I'm thinking that the mass shooters would convert to stuff like vehicular homicide

[18:00:09] Frogorg Mikoolo: I've cited at least one such example, pay attention

[18:00:53] Frogorg I'm thinking that mass murders in USA aren't caused by guns themselves, it's just a tool that makes it relatively easy to execute

[18:01:16] Frogorg it's stuff such as poverty or bullying

[18:01:31] Frogorg h4: I've just said so, pay attention

[18:02:15] Frogorg Mikoolo: and? basically anything can be glorified, ever seen autistic people and trains? unless you're saying this in context of NRA and gun control, which, I don't think frankly speaking would change a lot

[18:02:24] Frogorg mental health checks? that will shift suicide by firearm to suicide by hanging

[18:02:36] Frogorg criminal record checks? aren't those already in place?

[18:03:25] Frogorg Mikoolo: and I totally understand that

[18:04:32] Frogorg Fensta: even if they didn't, that would increase suicide rates, but most of mental illnesses don't correlate with violent crimes, and for example schizophrenics are way more likely to be a crime victim than perpetrator

[18:08:20] Frogorg h4: that reminds me of a mushroom recognition apps with two buttons: "I will not pick mushrooms solely basing on the result from this application" and "I am suicidal or stupid"

[18:08:49] Frogorg h4: love it

[18:08:58] Frogorg h4: my friend's friend worked in the toxicology lab

[18:09:06] Frogorg she loves mushroom pickers

[18:09:42] Frogorg and identifying mushroom spores from patient's vomit - apparently, she had no training in this, so she just went through a book and went "not this one, not this one, not this one"

[18:10:38] Frogorg h4: colorblind people aren't seeing greyscale, they usually fail to distinguish two basic colors

[18:10:50] Frogorg but yeah, that would make mushroom picking harder

[18:11:41] Frogorg h4: that reminds me of a story from my previous workplace where they've sent a dude to the lab to solder a programming board into a prototype, and they told the dude "ok, green goes here, red here..."

[18:11:51] Frogorg unbeknownst to anyone, including the dude himself, he was colorblind

[18:12:25] Frogorg deadly: superbased, I hate fireworks too

[18:12:39] Frogorg exactly

[18:13:07] Frogorg plus, it's not seeing grayscale, you just fail to distinguish two basic colors apart, which is not the task you usually have to do

[18:13:13] Frogorg 8% of men are colorblind

[18:13:23] Frogorg Mikoolo: Ishihara boards aren't standard test arsenal

[18:13:32] Frogorg *Ishikawa

[18:14:00] Frogorg h4, deadly: it's a great idea to mix alcohol with explosives to see "woooah it glows"

[18:14:52] Frogorg Mikoolo: watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z9AOBOSF4o

[18:20:56] Frogorg h4: skip class, eat ass, smoke grass, cum last, ignore Ahsoka or something like that

[18:21:32] Frogorg you're at freedom to use ignore on everyone who annoys you, including me

[18:21:54] Frogorg Fensta: just realized I am 98 years old

[18:24:39] Frogorg lol

[18:25:01] Frogorg Mikoolo: the identifying part of a joke is that it is funny

[18:25:18] Frogorg Ahsoka tries to achieve this by being edgy, which isn't inherently funny

[18:25:59] Frogorg h4: I have my doctor on call and she is not afraid to prescribe me benzodiazepines lol

[18:27:20] Frogorg h4: I've learned how to be funny and my coworkers seem to like me for that. that and also baking cakes

[18:28:00] Frogorg don';t

[18:28:10] Frogorg yes

[18:28:37] Frogorg h4: today we've been talking about a big discount at IT books vendor, they've asked if there's anything cool and I've said "there's a cool book about procrastination, but I'll buy it later"

[18:31:57] Frogorg irish666: good luck, are you in pain?

[18:32:25] Frogorg irish666: good luck, stay strong

[18:33:55] Frogorg can I complain a bit?

[18:36:29] Frogorg jesus

[18:36:47] Frogorg irish666: I'm using this

[18:37:18] Frogorg irish666: is this criminal charge?

[18:38:12] Frogorg irish666: half of this channel should be arrested over this lol

[18:38:24] Frogorg including you every time you ask me for vocaroo lmao

[18:39:19] Frogorg \g: so is Facebook but I bet it has been used for harrassment over Facebook already

[18:41:32] Frogorg Fensta: me ironically rn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCq8zzMuoLk&t=66s

[18:42:49] Frogorg \g: yes. I bet Misuse of Communications Act has been invoked in cases of harrassment over private services available to wide public

[18:43:15] Frogorg and I can think of numerous examples of different privately owned services that are available to the public

[18:43:26] Frogorg if Facebook is not to your liking for some reason

[18:44:45] Frogorg \g: even Wikipedia cites examples of cases involving Facebook or Twitter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Act_2003#Malicious_communications

[18:47:35] Frogorg I guess it's just another poorly worded legislation, just like infamous Rave Act

[18:52:06] Frogorg Fensta: he was anxious he would face criminal charges for assault

[18:55:15] Frogorg Fensta: that defense would somehow make it worse

[18:55:31] Frogorg just don't assault people

[18:55:33] Frogorg that's simple

[18:56:59] Frogorg good night irish666

[18:58:00] Frogorg btw have you heard the story about Polish hackers, the trains that wouldn't go vroom vroom and the producer's backdoor?

[18:58:23] Frogorg yes, that's why I'm mentioning it

[18:58:30] Frogorg haven't seen it yet but I've read a few articles

[19:00:09] Frogorg the prosecutor, the anti-monopoly authorities, and the Polish version of NSA are on their ass now

[19:00:28] Frogorg we don't know yet whose ass - probably the producers, but they haven't made it explicitly clear they're not after the hackers, but it sounds unlikely

[19:01:31] Frogorg well, one of the charges involved is criminal hacking

[19:01:36] Frogorg also fraud

[19:02:21] Frogorg it is most likely against the newag, but the story the producer tells is that "the hackers have hacked our code, planted this code, and tried to frame and fraud us"

[19:02:41] Frogorg the story is bizzarily simple to prove, and they're probably aware of this

[19:03:10] Frogorg but given the gravity of the situation, they're grabbing onto whatever they can

[19:03:28] Frogorg unfortunately, the charges fit both the story the producer tells and the story the hackers tell

[19:03:53] Frogorg but, it's unlikely they'll be prosecuted for criminal hacking because of white hat exemption

[19:05:27] Frogorg if they would have invoked 254a of KK ("Who destroys, takes, or makes unusable element of (...) railways (...), causing disturbance to the network or part thereof"), that would be obvious who's the investigation gearing against

[19:05:44] Frogorg Chiester: oh I totally believe the hackers, it's just I don't hold Polish prosecutors in high regard

[19:06:33] Frogorg let me pull up KK real quick

[19:09:37] Frogorg Chiester: that would have been 254a KK, possibly 165 KK ("Who causes a threat to life or health of many people, or to a gross value property: (...) causing damage or standstill to the public service device (...)"

[19:10:22] Frogorg but 254a KK was not invoked (yet?), and 165 KK would require 254a KK to be invoked, and also a proof that the killswitch could have been used in a running train, which IIRC was the case

[19:10:31] Frogorg (KK = Polish penal code)

[19:11:10] Frogorg (context: every Polish penal code entry starts with "Who", and ends with "shall be punished by <punishment here>"

[19:12:15] Frogorg I'll be amazed if anyone faces criminal charges and I hope for that

[19:12:22] Frogorg but they can be hurt in different ways as well

[19:12:48] Frogorg for example, they could have been kicked out of public service orders, and since not many people buy private trains...

[19:14:05] Frogorg there are mandatory exclusion clauses for companies involved in breaching anti-trust laws, the path is complicated but since anti-trust authorities are involved there is a chance, also the companies directly affected (which is pretty much everyone) could kick them out under another provisions

[19:14:40] Frogorg they could end up bankrupt

[20:20:14] Frogorg hello

[20:20:21] Frogorg you remind me of my coworker

[20:20:29] Frogorg yes

[20:20:32] Frogorg but in a good way

[20:20:42] Frogorg she's also polite and always says hi

[20:21:58] Frogorg hi Ryu, I'm well, thanks - recovering from covid and procrastinating

[20:22:01] Frogorg you?

[20:22:57] Frogorg :(

[20:23:11] Frogorg :((

[20:23:16] Frogorg fuck

[20:23:18] Frogorg that doesn't sound good

[20:23:31] Frogorg what are the lesions from? also, you were to a doctor with the toe infection right?

[20:24:28] Frogorg good luck, hope your and hers health recovers soon

[20:24:42] Frogorg godspeed

[20:25:15] Frogorg that's a lot

[20:28:05] Frogorg oh I'm gonna be fucked tomorrow

[20:28:23] Frogorg well my misfortunes are not comparable to Ryu's, no offense

[20:36:25] Frogorg :|

[20:36:34] Frogorg I need to go out and get vaping juice

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