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[14:13:34] ski meow

[14:14:09] ski grüß gott, ct !

[14:15:18] ski kkawg : fermented (baltic) herring

[14:16:21] ski no

[14:19:59] ski teddybearcell : "news related" in which sense ?

[14:21:05] ski teddybearcell : .. there are some Libera channels which are pretty heavily research focused (as in researchers (and enthusiasts) hang out there)

[14:22:40] ski (dunno about any one for more general research areas, though. and still not sure what you means by "news related" -- you mean news for research in some area, or research about news, or what ?)

[14:25:17] ski (coffee in cakes, or chocolate, is okay)

[14:26:05] ski (.. as a kid, i have eaten some dry cat food, multiple times)

[14:27:14] ski i used to want sugar (or honey, preferably), in tea .. i've learned to drink it black, though

[14:27:21] ski (preferably not too weak)

[14:29:13] ski ("lagom" is sometimes translated as "just right", no ?)

[14:32:01] ski why ?

[14:32:24] ski a rope sounds pretty painful

[14:32:35] ski (especially if you don't snap your neck)

[14:32:47] ski pannkaka = pankakes ?

[14:33:23] ski pannkaka : ever tried main course (that is, non-sweet, but savory), pancakes ?

[14:34:04] ski ComputerTech : "libera staff can be restrictive" -- there was a niceish conversation about that, in #libera, yesterday

[14:35:25] ski ComputerTech : not really any resolution. but someone was lamenting old Freenode days, and "focusing on avoiding bad, rather than fostering good". it was nice to get some of the viewpoints aired about the topic (and it didn't get heated, thankfully)

[14:36:40] ski teddybearcell : "Is it against the rules to mass invite people to Rizon on other servers?" -- usually netops frown upon such behaviour, i believe. to lesser or greater extent

[14:37:35] ski teddybearcell : but yea, if you spam people to join some other network, that could potentially result in you getting K-lined. depending on network, asking nicely might work

[14:38:12] ski teddybearcell : .. some networks don't allow even mentioning over networks (including in PM, checked by some bot) (speaking from experience, here)

[14:39:24] ski teddybearcell : "infiltrating Facebook groups" does sound potentially helpful, rescuing people .. assuming they're reasonable people, of course

[14:41:41] ski teddybearcell : re moderation, i generally found <https://web.archive.org/web/20210423231424/https://freenode.net/changuide>,<https://web.archive.org/web/20210505190612/https://freenode.net/catalysts> pretty nice advice, for the most part

[14:43:19] ski re being a people pleaser, i found "How To Stop Caring What People Think Of You" by Leo in 2014 at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZm4B4foybM> nice. (haven't really watched their other content, so can't vouch for that)

[14:48:41] ski teddybearcell : in my first IRC channel (where i still participate, occasionally modding), the basic rule is more or less, "Be nice, or else.". do note that technical/topical channels tend to be somewhat different (with different modding needs and approaches), than social channels (although the boundary is fluid, to greater or lesser extent. there's not necessarily any single one right or wrong

[14:48:47] ski approach, there's room for different ways of doing it)

[14:49:44] ski teddybearcell : .. hard to say. might take a long time, might be quicker. be prepared to be patient, and to potentially reevaluate your approach

[14:50:02] ski teddybearcell : never tried anything like what you're considering, either

[14:50:17] ski and hiya, h4 :)

[14:51:30] ski teddybearcell : some new channels never take off (depending on the people involved, or the topic, or how it's presented, e.g.). some take a long time. some stay relatively small (perhaps less than twenty people) .. and that's also fine (at least for topical/technical channels)

[14:53:09] ski teddybearcell : for getting people unfamiliar with IRC into it, a webchat (say Kiwi perhaps) would almost surely help. you can point people to stand-alone (rather than browser-based) clients later, for people who seek that

[14:55:24] ski teddybearcell : advantage of using an existing larger network is that there's already a base of people there, that can help socialize people into, and explain, IRC culture to them. advantage of a smaller, possibly self-hosted, one, would be that you get to call all the shots yourself (but then you also need to worry about technical upkeep)

[14:56:33] ski teddybearcell : and (most) IRC networks allow anyone to create new channels, which is nice for encouraging people for organizing their interests, so you can be less hands-on

[14:57:20] ski (netops/ircops typically do stay out of individual channel drama, for a reason .. unless it's something which affects a larger portion of the network)

[14:59:32] ski teddybearcell : i mean, if you know the person isn't shy for installing new stand-alone programs, or even isn't terminal-shy, you could suggest a stand-alone client (like e.g. HexChat, or perhaps Irssi (terminal-based), &c. .. there's also mobile clients) .. but it probably wouldn't hurt to suggest a webchat to begin with, even then

[15:00:15] ski mrinfinity : aliens, speaking which language ?

[15:00:31] ski s/Into/Through/ ?

[15:02:14] ski people use phones to chat on IRC, yes

[15:03:11] ski mrinfinity ^

[15:10:57] ski ComputerTech : "i need a mac book" -- "So I hear you like 48-byte MACs: new_mac = strLeftBytes(6, HMAC_SHA256(k, iv_counter++)) // An HMAC MAC ;)" (or call it a HSN)

[15:12:07] ski ComputerTech's hat tips

[15:12:15] ski yeh, Mikoolo

[15:12:34] ski only in the larger cities ?

[15:13:24] ski i heard recently one of them said they were gonna try UK instead

[15:16:38] ski "L4/L5" being ?

[15:19:00] ski seems to no work in PM

[15:20:39] ski you could install an IRC display on the front of it, from this channel

[15:21:54] ski (like in "I traumatized Jackscepticeye with CURSED Korean phrases" by CodeMiko in 2021-04-22 at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDmi_6dPARw>, except, you know, from IRC rather than stream chat)

[18:53:07] ski .tr de en verklempt

[18:56:23] ski verklempt 1. (US, colloquial) Overcome with emotion, choked up. 2. (US, colloquial) Flustered, nervous, overwhelmed.

[18:56:55] ski Borrowed from Yiddish פֿאַרקלעמט‎ (farklemt, “depressed, distraught; choked up”), cognate to German verklemmt (“inhibited; hemmed in, squeezed”).

[19:03:51] ski don't call names ..

[19:03:54] ski .. call nicks ?

[19:07:15] ski two of who ?

[19:08:19] ski Mikoolo : whu would them refer to themselves as "you", though ?

[19:08:38] ski oh .. i guess one of them was talking about the other one, maybe ?

[19:09:31] ski (such a wise statement requires promotion)

[19:11:13] ski Mikoolo : is that really fish, though ? .. i know the jar's there and all, but it looks like maybe .. something else ?

[19:11:34] ski Mikoolo : the jar/can, yes

[19:11:52] ski but on the plate, might as well be lightly fried chicken, no ?

[19:12:37] ski h4 : not painted blue, like the picts (scotland) ?

[19:14:46] ski [Rizon] -!- #abasement: No such channel

[19:16:08] ski metal

[19:18:47] ski he's deadly

[19:22:25] ski the akoshA chronicles are hovering over the channel

[19:23:39] ski how was it ?

[19:24:57] ski nah, h4, akoshA's okay, in my book

[19:25:00] ski .. or maybe not okay, per se, but good enough

[19:25:10] ski Pankekistan ?

[19:25:30] ski i guess

[19:33:02] ski if you get (black) birds, you chould call them Hugin and Munin

[19:33:39] ski iirc, there's a lot of people with irish descent, on Iceland, on the maternal line

[19:34:07] ski vikings were mostly pillaging, when going west. going east, they were more trading

[19:35:01] ski Ahsoka : hm, interesting

[19:35:34] ski how's "aoife" pronounced ?

[19:35:48] ski .. figures

[19:37:14] ski Mikoolo : you should show that band singing about spirits

[19:40:21] ski pankakes,Mikoolo : ah, "Vodka" by Korpiklaani in 2009-07-12 at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7kJRGPgvRQ> was it .. or "Tequila" 2011-01-10 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoLmeOBn4ck>, or "Jägermeister" 2019-12-06 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fH0hHZkCJ8>

[19:47:41] ski (also, i preferred when it was called PLT Scheme)

[19:49:00] ski <http://www.barzilay.org/random/CS212.html>,<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PLT_Scheme>

[19:49:08] ski Mikoolo ^

[19:51:42] ski per "Appendix C. Delimiting a URI in Context", in "Uniform Resource Identifier (URI): Generic Syntax" (RFC 3986) by the World Wide Web Consortium, IETF, &c. in 2005-01 at <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3986#appendix-C>

[19:51:47] ski Mikoolo ^

[19:51:52] ski yea ... i'm aware

[19:52:30] ski a lot of Scheme implementations have joke names, like Larceny, Guile, Racket, Gauche, Stalin, IronScheme, ..

[19:53:14] ski ("Guessing it prevents link preview in some clients" -- that's just a bonus. i started getting into the habit, long before i noticed bots that would try to provide title)

[19:53:52] ski well, it's a whole-program optimizer (so anti-modular, no separate compilation) .. so, it takes a lot of time, for a largish program

[19:55:04] ski "URIs are often transmitted through formats that do not provide a clear context for their interpretation. For example, there are many occasions when a URI is included in plain text; examples include text sent in email, USENET news, and on printed paper. In such cases, it is important to be able to delimit the URI from the rest of the text, and in particular from punctuation marks that might be

[19:55:10] ski mistaken for part of the URI.

[19:55:30] ski In practice, URIs are delimited in a variety of ways, but usually within double-quotes "http://example.com/", angle brackets <http://example.com/>, or just by using whitespace: http://example.com/

[19:55:34] ski .. and so on

[19:55:36] ski (you get the point)

[19:57:39] ski Mikoolo : ahh .. nice ! :)

[19:57:51] ski Mikoolo : reminds me someone else mentioned "Wellerman Sea Shanty In Classical LATIN (Vocal Bardcore)" by Vaerko in 2021-08-29 at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUhd4GzJvmg> to me, the other week

[19:58:30] ski .. habit ?

[19:58:53] ski i do that with references to research articles, blags, &c. as well

[20:22:17] ski it's eponymous

[20:24:51] ski it's a night fly

[20:25:11] ski with fish on it ?

[20:25:30] ski what's in the salsa ?

[20:25:37] ski bouncy notes ?

[20:27:03] ski it's fine, Jax

[20:27:09] ski also heya

[20:28:27] ski Syndus : "Xanadu" by Ümmet Özcan at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uMtnH7cABg> doesn't sound too bad

[20:29:34] ski re exercising, Jax ?

[20:29:53] ski what happened to the old hip ?

[20:30:26] ski i heard hip replacement is expensive

[20:32:03] ski Chiester : nice illustration

[20:32:56] ski "tha sou balo ta duo podia de ena papoutsi" ?

[20:33:12] ski (something like that. i don't know greek, though)

[20:35:02] ski Jax : you'll save if you pay it all of now, i assume

[20:35:30] ski and money ?

[20:35:51] ski also might lead to less worrying, i suppose

[20:37:22] ski (that Ümmet Özcan one reminded me of this)

[20:38:38] ski \g : apparently, i was the same, as a babe

[20:39:34] ski my family had some syriac refugees temporarily living at our house, at that time .. they'd take turns, carrying me around

[20:41:02] ski Mikoolo : yea .. my mum had one of those, i think

[20:41:15] ski (although .. just for smaller babes, not as large)

[20:42:19] ski \g : you could go out in nature with the babe ?

[20:43:09] ski what's crashing ?

[20:43:18] ski hope not your mood

[20:43:27] ski meep

[20:45:22] ski ComputerTech : .. for a moment, i thought you were referring to Battlezone

[20:46:37] ski \g : too bad :/

[20:48:33] ski Mikoolo : that's a chill cat

[20:49:05] ski Harzilein : Ma petite chemin de fer.

[20:54:06] ski /mode #computertech +I ComputerTech!*@*

[20:54:09] ski .. didn't work

[20:54:37] ski hm, i suppose

[20:57:40] ski hm, pankakes didn't reappear after the kick, earlier

[20:58:01] ski i suppose

[20:58:30] ski some might think it'd look cute

[20:59:07] ski .. hm ?

[20:59:43] ski why not ?

[21:00:01] ski you have to remember, this is ComputerTech we're talking about

[21:01:18] ski (closed with a stubborn cork)

[21:02:30] ski .. it was .. tiring

[21:05:30] ski hm .. apparently it just fell off the far end of my backlog buffer

[21:05:56] ski a gent-in-waiting

[21:06:52] ski -!- pankakes was kicked from #computertech by Rizon [sacrilege against pizza (\g)]

[21:09:07] ski can it both open and close you ?

[21:09:34] ski noted

[21:17:42] ski (caturday ?)

[21:32:57] ski careful what you ask him for

[21:33:50] ski five pancakes, with minced mackarel in tomato sauce, inbetween, with some dill and basil

[23:01:13] ski drwho : nice CCC talk about the train DRM

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