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[00:53:29] ~ End3r pushed a new update

[00:53:47] ~ End3r there was some bleeding between the channel messages and a PM

[01:05:04] brothchild i gota try dis but not til tomorow probably keep us updated

[01:05:12] brothchild the theme support looks great

[01:05:51] ~ End3r more and more options

[01:05:51] brothchild might be possible to add a qt6 color selector to set fg and bg color of text

[01:05:55] dj i just watched that youtube video about the .xz contributer putting back door into ssh

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[01:06:09] dj wild stuff ..

[01:06:14] ~ End3r brothchild: post a link to one of your images, wanna show you something

[01:06:22] brothchild ansi version?

[01:06:30] brothchild or irc color coded versionn

[01:06:30] ~ End3r jpg, png etc

[01:06:32] brothchild or png

[01:06:34] brothchild ah ok

[01:06:45] ~ End3r added a discord feature

[01:06:52] ~ End3r wanna take a ss and show you

[01:08:01] brothchild https://x0.at/RR4S.png

[01:08:24] ~ End3r Nice, ss incoming, everyone say CHEESE!

[01:08:31] brothchild zceeees!

[01:08:39] brothchild :P

[01:08:54] brothchild \|o)

[01:09:00] ~ End3r https://sharey.org/0clAb3.png

[01:09:23] brothchild nice, inlines!

[01:09:37] ~ End3r :D

[01:09:54] ~ End3r been working y ass off on this one

[01:10:07] brothchild do you have configurable preview size?

[01:10:26] ~ End3r no, it just makes a small thumbnail for now

[01:11:18] brothchild what hanles incoming colors ?

[01:11:45] brothchild main.cpp?

[01:11:51] ~ End3r yeah

[01:12:05] brothchild i will snuffle arround that

[01:12:09] ~ End3r brb found something i need to fix

[01:12:23] ~ End3r maybe make a proper make install script

[01:12:26] brothchild it would be fun to support extended palette with 2 ^C codes one after another

[01:12:44] brothchild i hate packaging and os integrationn

[01:13:45] ~ End3r I will have opus make a install file for me

[01:20:03] ~ End3r you can now drag and drop the servers in the network list to reorder them, and it autosaves

[01:20:20] ~ End3r ooh

[01:20:37] ~ End3r I added support for hexchat python scripts, totally vibe coded it though hahahaha

[01:27:37] brothchild can it test them in an execution framework?

[01:29:06] brothchild E: Unable to locate package qt6-quickcontrols2-dev

[01:32:23] brothchild https://x0.at/XPHw.opus EconTalk features John Allison - Chairman and CEO of BB&T Bank https://x0.at/XPHw.opus

[01:32:26] brothchild oops

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[02:30:37] brothchild so are you wanting to really use quickcontrols2

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[05:13:18] lol3 End3r

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[05:18:50] brothchild hey lol3

[05:19:05] brothchild does your linux have qt6-quickcontrols2

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[08:15:57] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

[08:16:10] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

[08:16:28] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

[08:16:46] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

[08:17:02] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

[08:17:20] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

[08:17:36] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

[08:17:54] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

[08:18:10] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

[08:18:28] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

[08:18:46] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

[08:19:02] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

[08:19:20] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

[08:19:36] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

[08:19:54] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

[08:20:10] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

[08:20:28] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

[08:20:46] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

[08:21:02] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

[08:21:20] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

[08:21:36] lol3 how is she looking at you? does she even know the truth of what happened? fuck you.

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[12:54:32] * End3r changed topic to: Welcome to #linux ! | Ask your question(s) and be patient as it is different time(s) around the globe | http://chanstat.net/stats/rizon/%23linux | https://github.com/lord3nd3r/NUchat | 2026 The year of the Linux desktop!

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[14:04:12] ~ End3r https://github.com/lord3nd3r/NUchat

[14:04:12] % glitchy [url] GitHub - lord3nd3r/NUchat: A modern, full-featured IRC client built with Qt 6 and QML — inspired by HexChat. | github.com

[14:04:16] ~ End3r updated

[14:38:52] brothchild good jerb

[14:39:17] brothchild qwen 3.5 explaining a meme/joke https://chat.qwen.ai/s/e6db2c31-a50a-47de-9118-746ee7f7496c?fev=0.2.9 keep repeating to yourself "It's not really AI, it's not really AI..."

[14:39:18] % glitchy [url] Qwen Chat | chat.qwen.ai

[14:39:44] woodwose End3r: port it to rust

[14:40:31] @ wez port it to ASM

[14:40:32] ~ End3r lol

[14:40:47] woodwose all compilers do that already

[14:41:27] ~ End3r I like Qt 6

[14:41:28] @ wez Not as efficiently as writing it in ASM yourself

[14:41:32] @ wez Look at QNX

[14:41:43] & ComputerTech sup woodwose

[14:41:57] ~ End3r why the fuck is ComputerTech playing backseat boys

[14:42:04] & ComputerTech :(

[14:42:06] woodwose hi ComputerTech

[14:42:06] @ wez ComputerTech!!!!!!!!!!11111111

[14:42:09] & ComputerTech backstreet boys is cool End3r

[14:42:10] & ComputerTech ;(

[14:42:31] ~ End3r maybe in 1992 ComputerTech

[14:42:37] & ComputerTech thats the year my brother was born

[14:42:38] & ComputerTech :D

[14:42:41] @ wez End3r: Because ComputerTech is secretely a pre-teen female

[14:42:45] & ComputerTech huh

[14:42:46] ~ End3r xD

[14:42:46] @ wez <3

[14:43:01] & ComputerTech :(

[14:43:04] @ wez ComputerTech: No, some of those tunes are good

[14:43:15] @ wez ComputerTech: but in general they are marketed to 12 year olds

[14:43:21] & ComputerTech o_o

[14:43:47] @ wez ComputerTech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlBYdiXdUa8

[14:43:50] @ wez THere you go

[14:44:10] @ wez ComputerTech: do it

[14:44:21] & ComputerTech huh

[14:44:41] @ wez watch it

[14:44:50] ~ End3r He's DJing atm

[14:45:01] @ wez oh worry ComputerTech

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[15:08:13] brothchild waant a laugh? qwen3.5 35b-a3b set to 'no thinking' asked to write a bash system monitoring script with sparkline: https://x0.at/R6m6.txt

[15:12:33] ~ End3r It's incomplete, cutting off abruptly mid-comment during the printing logic inside the main loop ("# Construct the string. # We iterate through the").

[15:12:39] ~ End3r token limit?

[15:13:22] ~ End3r hmm

[15:13:25] brothchild token limit would end the output mid-code

[15:13:29] ~ End3r and a few other things lol

[15:13:31] brothchild this finishes up with a summary

[15:13:44] ~ End3r what a cluster

[15:13:46] brothchild i told it not to think via llama.cpp commandline

[15:13:46] ~ End3r lol

[15:14:00] brothchild and it evaded by thinking in the code comments!

[15:15:20] brothchild I'll probably need to change the prompt but I haven't seen the new qwen get it right in any run yet

[15:15:50] brothchild see the people praising these are un-creative people, generally

[15:16:23] brothchild the training ruts etched into the llm are the same ones etched into the webmonkey coders

[15:17:43] brothchild it's still a tremendous achievement but that 3b active parameters does't build-up enough of a 'spirit' to deal with novel situations

[15:17:48] brothchild never will, imo

[15:18:12] Brie yeah, i install Linux on server

[15:18:39] brothchild howeve this level of reasoning combined with the 27b dense model might be the cream of the crop on 2x rtx 3090

[15:43:50] Brie do dih

[15:48:52] antithesis https://relencyclo-4lbx3k4y.manus.space/ Wikipedia interface inspired by WikiWikiWeb. It isn't really that because it doesn't browse Wikipedia in realtime, I simply scraped 1000 leads for this.

[15:48:52] % glitchy [url] Religion Encyclopedia | relencyclo-4lbx3k4y.manus.space

[15:50:33] ~ End3r https://justpasted.com/p/37c1ce8640fe

[15:50:33] % glitchy [url] Paste 2026-02-28 15:41 | justpasted.com

[15:50:39] ~ End3r nice clean build

[15:54:30] brothchild so End3r are you committed to using qt6 libraries not found in debian?

[15:55:11] brothchild it is an issue i'd investigate at this point, and not later

[15:55:16] ~ End3r I am in debian and using the libs found in debian

[15:55:28] brothchild hm

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[15:55:59] brothchild then i will investigate why my repo lacks the buttons lib

[15:56:14] ~ End3r recently pulled?

[15:56:21] * ComputerTech pulls End3r

[15:56:22] & ComputerTech ;o

[15:56:23] ~ End3r i have been editing and pushing like a mad man

[15:56:40] ~ End3r last push was like 5 minutes ago

[15:57:04] brothchild oh i mean i pulled my apt database recently

[15:58:08] ~ End3r https://justpasted.com/p/26afbf551e72

[15:58:08] % glitchy [url] Paste 2026-02-28 15:57 | justpasted.com

[15:58:15] ~ End3r that's what I am using on this machine

[15:58:53] ~ End3r brb going back in the house

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[16:00:17] n1tr0 hi all

[16:00:50] & ComputerTech sup n1tr0

[16:01:03] n1tr0 what does genisoimage do? is it 100% floss? is it shady in any way, shape, or form? i am trying to run a super lean system, installing the fewest things possible.

[16:01:05] brothchild my repos have only qtquickcontrols2-5-dev ot qt6-quickcontrols2-dev

[16:01:09] n1tr0 hi ComputerTech

[16:01:12] & ComputerTech sup

[16:01:33] n1tr0 i guess it generates images using .iso files.

[16:01:37] n1tr0 errr.

[16:02:01] n1tr0 i guess it generates images using the data found on CDs & DVDs, and allows endusers to save that data as an .iso file.

[16:02:29] n1tr0 what about wodim?

[16:02:42] n1tr0 that name is not quite as self-explanatory.

[16:03:18] n1tr0 is wodim 100% floss? is it shady in any way/shape/form. I want zero speye wear on my system.

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[16:09:46] brothchild whoever at debian decided to reorganize the filesystem should be given booster shots until they stop

[16:10:10] n1tr0 lol

[16:10:14] n1tr0 hi brothchild

[16:10:34] n1tr0 do you know if all of these pieces of software are 100% open source and have 0% shady content in their code?:

[16:10:37] n1tr0 cdw genisoimage libburn4 libiso9660-11 wodim

[16:10:50] desc debian was never a serious operating system

[16:11:00] Shahid wow not seen those packages in years

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[16:11:04] desc it peaked in the early 2000's when it briefly had the best package base

[16:11:16] n1tr0 Shahid: Oldies are goldies.

[16:11:18] desc it is now a tranny OS for irony devs

[16:11:32] desc not taht fedora isn't, but fedora is superior in every way

[16:11:58] n1tr0 Fedora is speye wear.

[16:12:10] n1tr0 Been caugh redhanded, multiple times, for many years now. So is RedHat.

[16:12:18] n1tr0 That is why I abandoned it.

[16:12:27] brothchild i'm still traumatised and biased from a catastrophic rpm bug from 2000

[16:12:30] desc ^ accuses them of spying because of a mere default ntp server

[16:12:48] n1tr0 it was a backdoor, that allowed the inn essay to read your files.

[16:12:52] n1tr0 or some such.

[16:12:58] n1tr0 i don't remember the details.

[16:13:10] desc look you either die a gentoo user or live long enough to actually get employed

[16:13:19] n1tr0 lol

[16:14:01] brothchild Choosing an OS is like trying to find a country to flee to

[16:17:28] n1tr0 Choosing an OS is like jumping from one sinking ship to another.

[16:17:30] ~ End3r brothchild: sudo apt install libqt6quickcontrols2-dev

[16:18:21] n1tr0 Shahid: Well if they're old, they are most likely trustworthy. More modern means more ways to bypass firewalls to watch you jack off.

[16:18:34] ~ End3r sudo apt install qt6-declarative-dev

[16:18:44] ~ End3r then it should compile brothchild

[16:22:17] n1tr0 sadly, space is at a premium in my bedroom. I was forced to place my desktop PC case on its side, and then place my LED monitor on top of the case.

[16:22:35] n1tr0 But now it cannot read CDs & DVDs.

[16:22:51] n1tr0 I guess gravity pulls them out of the tray.

[16:22:58] n1tr0 sigh.

[16:23:40] brothchild E: Unable to locate package libqt6quickcontrols2-dev

[16:24:11] brothchild have to build it then

[16:27:35] brothchild it's nice how easy it is to turn on zram when things get tight

[16:28:03] brothchild someone put in the extra work to do that <3

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[16:37:54] antithesis re choosing an OS comparison: that's because linSUCKS !

[16:38:36] antithesis I cannot count on my fingers the number of times I've had to reinstall linSUCKS. Which isn't true for wangblows, that was only a handful of times.

[16:38:50] antithesis (i.e. binbows.)

[16:45:04] brothchild you're comparing an OS that you can modify to a toy application that you cannot modify. I don't understand what you are saying.

[16:45:46] brothchild maybe you should sell your computer and get a tablet

[16:45:47] antithesis An OS is a platform for running other applications. Binbows at least is functional at that.

[16:46:31] brothchild i think you phrased that well

[16:46:47] brothchild it highlights the difference in view

[16:47:01] brothchild for me the OS is the system the operator can OPERATE

[16:47:06] brothchild and OPERATE ON

[16:47:23] antithesis Yes, tablets are good devices because you can put them vertically unlike a laptop screen so you aren't carrying unnecessary weight. An 8" screen is enough if you put it vertically while with laptops you need like 13".

[16:48:17] antithesis The last good laptops with 4:3 screens were the Thinkpad X60 and an equivalent of the other series. After that they joined the widescreen hype as if everyone is watching videos all day.

[16:49:15] antithesis Anyway, if you don't want to continuously reinstall linSUCKS, I recommend Slackware but you know that.

[16:49:34] Shahid o boy, this shit again

[16:49:36] brothchild yea i might just migrate this to slack packages

[16:50:10] brothchild i wonder if LLMs can contribute to OS maintennance

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[16:52:19] antithesis Also tablets have better security because they properly implement app isolation. Although usually the bootloader isn't open so you're stuck with a certain version of Android (planned obsolescence). At least crapple is better with providing long-term support for their devices.

[16:53:51] antithesis Android is being locked / cucked down so that make sit less attractive to buy a tablet. Bad for freedom. But the form factor is okay.

[17:12:35] brothchild yea

[17:17:11] brothchild and i can see why wayland said we need per-app isolation

[17:17:20] brothchild but just let me disable it

[17:18:03] brothchild i'm not versed in the historical debate though

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[18:37:02] zer0s antithesis: I think the latest ones bring back the 4:3 aspect ratio

[18:37:34] antithesis Oh nice.

[18:37:48] antithesis Do want.

[18:37:57] zer0s I have one, the compatibility is excellent

[18:38:16] zer0s no driver issues

[18:38:21] antithesis Before the only option was the X61

[18:39:09] zer0s The older thinkpads were built sturdier, had better keyboards, and still had really nice replaceable batteries

[18:39:12] zer0s they were heavy though

[18:39:22] antithesis Which models have it?

[18:39:32] antithesis Oh yeah they got rid of the good keyboards as well.

[18:39:38] zer0s t14 gen 5/6 I believe. Also p14s gen 5/6

[18:39:44] brothchild one of my t495 keycaps just broke

[18:39:46] antithesis True that's kind of the issue and that's my point.

[18:40:10] antithesis Laptops are a tad too heavy for carrying everywhere that's what makes tablets appealing.

[18:40:20] antithesis If your needs are simple like mine.

[18:40:20] zer0s antithesis: to be fair, all laptop manufacturers ditched nice keyboards

[18:40:35] zer0s still the thinkpad keyboard is still better than the macbook one

[18:40:38] brothchild i hope they suffer for that

[18:41:09] zer0s tablets are nice, but I want access to a real terminal

[18:41:24] zer0s a persistent terminal

[18:41:40] zer0s tablets aren't built for that

[18:41:56] zer0s they're really just media consumption devices for the most part

[18:41:57] brothchild i'd like to revive the linux framebuffer console with utf-8

[18:42:08] zer0s i'm sure people get some work done on them, but they're not really built for that

[18:42:41] antithesis That's true. I hate how Android kept on killing my dosbox process.

[18:42:45] zer0s brothchild: I'm talking to you from a tty only install, 512mb of ram baby

[18:43:15] brothchild what os is it running?

[18:43:23] zer0s debian

[18:43:36] zer0s no desktop managers

[18:43:36] brothchild i doubt that's a debian kernel, or is it?

[18:44:07] zer0s its using a normal linux kernel

[18:44:26] antithesis noice

[18:44:38] zer0s i'm using 272MB/512MB

[18:44:55] brothchild that's surprisingn

[18:44:59] zer0s its pretty slick

[18:45:02] antithesis Can it handle XFCE you reckon?

[18:45:13] zer0s maybe, but I don't want to deal with a slow gui

[18:45:43] zer0s CLI only is the only way I'm going to get good use out of it

[18:45:54] zer0s GUI installs and runs too much crap in the background

[18:45:56] brothchild what were some of the memory pigs you pared-down?

[18:46:04] antithesis That's understandable. I like the simplicity of just using screen inside a tty and splitting the screen vertically.

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[18:46:18] antithesis No need to mess around with window managers, screen does it all.

[18:46:43] zer0s brothchild: honestly if you just avoid installing a window/desktop manager, you're pretty much set with a default minimal install

[18:47:11] zer0s antithesis: tmux user over here. I used to be a screen guy too. but tmux is definitely better

[18:47:46] zer0s my workflow mostly around 6/7 applications

[18:48:04] zer0s *is mostly

[18:48:14] zer0s antithesis: what apps do you use?

[18:48:24] antithesis Hm. I don't like how screen makes it so menus don't appear when you press esc / f12 but I like its window management.

[18:48:30] antithesis If I'm in tty or normally?

[18:48:33] brothchild i like this zer0s person very much

[18:48:41] zer0s thank you :)

[18:48:48] antithesis One of us, one of us, gooble gobble gooble gobble.

[18:48:51] zer0s lol

[18:49:22] antithesis In tty I use w3m, vim

[18:49:39] antithesis I installed an obsidian clone for tty but don't use it much

[18:49:46] zer0s ah vim is a bit too extreme for me

[18:49:51] antithesis https://terminaltrove.com/ekphos/ this one

[18:49:51] % glitchy [url] ekphos - A lightweight, fast, terminal-based markdown research tool inspired by Obsidian. - Terminal Trove | terminaltrove.com

[18:49:55] zer0s too many shortcuts to memorize

[18:50:01] brothchild thakns for lik

[18:50:10] antithesis np

[18:50:18] antithesis It's really just a matter of getting used to it, same for emacs.

[18:50:29] antithesis I suppose nano is more self-explanatory though.

[18:50:32] zer0s it is

[18:51:09] zer0s i love nano, but micro is a bit better for modern shortcuts and syntax highlighting options

[18:51:22] antithesis Oh cool I wasn't aware of that

[18:51:31] zer0s i know micro uses up 20MB of ram but fuck it.

[18:52:15] zer0s yeah i have a bunch of lean apps I use

[18:52:41] zer0s I split screen about 6 times, so I have 6 apps in front of me

[18:52:51] brothchild NeXTstep ran on machines with 12-32MB iirc

[18:53:16] zer0s those old OSes were nuts

[18:53:33] brothchild i think we're nuts now

[18:53:36] zer0s true

[18:53:51] zer0s I see chrome tabs using my memory than this whole system

[18:53:58] zer0s *more memory

[18:54:36] brothchild no person embodying anything of the spirit of engineering can be comfortable with the status-quo of IT

[18:55:16] zer0s honestly, the resource optimization guys have pretty much left

[18:55:28] brothchild but that ^ seem to have been true in every decade i can recall

[18:55:32] zer0s I look around my engineering team and no one seems to care about memory use

[18:55:41] brothchild yes

[18:56:49] zer0s computer and memory has gotten significantly cheaper compared to the old days

[18:56:51] zer0s no one cares

[18:57:07] zer0s even with the memory price crisis

[18:57:30] antithesis there's a cool util called jstar clone of wordstar

[18:57:50] brothchild fun i used wordstar for years

[18:58:56] brothchild i was amazed as a kid when i was taught that it dynamically loaded code, to save memory

[18:59:03] brothchild "you can *do* that??"

[18:59:11] brothchild the joy of computing...

[19:00:20] zer0s wordstar looks cool. app is far older than i thought it was

[19:01:45] brothchild but my muscle memory is vi, so i dont waste time exploring alternatives

[19:02:36] brothchild zer0s: if you need a unicode ansi-art splash screen for something i'm your guy

[19:02:48] zer0s thanks man

[19:03:11] antithesis Yeah exactly, just use what you're used to.

[19:03:28] zer0s brothchild: I've only invested in learning tmux commands, I wanted everything else to be relatively intuitive

[19:03:45] zer0s going though man for each thing and memorizing wasn't something I wanted

[19:03:56] antithesis If you are looking for good ideas I'm your guy. :D

[19:04:00] zer0s ty!

[19:04:03] brothchild yeah see with tmux i could have happy console life, if linnux frame buffer cosole did utf-8

[19:04:38] antithesis https://relencyclo-4lbx3k4y.manus.space/ such as this. It's a column based article viewer. Every link opens in a new column instead of a new tab.

[19:04:38] % glitchy [url] Religion Encyclopedia | relencyclo-4lbx3k4y.manus.space

[19:04:46] brothchild it would be my perfect first linux kernel mod

[19:05:29] brothchild but i'm only partially qualified so there's unknown unknowns

[19:06:35] zer0s interesting

[19:07:27] zer0s antithesis: did you change the color defaults for w3m?

[19:07:34] antithesis No

[19:07:45] zer0s I found it unusable, so I ended up defaulting to lynx

[19:07:52] brothchild brave has an 'auto-page-view' for text-heavy sites. I'd love to get the text of a link in a pop-up site column intead of a new full tab

[19:07:52] antithesis Why would I? Gray text on a black background is why I use the tty.

[19:08:07] zer0s antithesis: I still have colour in tty

[19:08:18] zer0s 16 colors lol

[19:08:29] zer0s not even 16bit

[19:08:40] brothchild that's also a console limitation iirc

[19:08:49] antithesis I agree brothchild if I'm going to develop an actual viewer then I want it to have some kind of article mode and not grab full websites.

[19:09:07] antithesis Chromium and Brave already have built in tiling groups anyway so there's no point.

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