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Tuesday, March 26, 2024

[02:29:44] ski ComputerTech is here, bobsmith

[02:31:42] ski 9 Jupiter-years ?

[02:38:26] ski a table is anything can can be used with the purpose of being a table. ditto for chairs

[02:38:52] ski a bean bag can be a chair, if you can sit on it, use it for the purpose of being a chair

[02:39:07] ski yes, fifel

[02:39:43] ski goals, purpose, telos, is inextricably bound to the relevant categories

[02:42:46] ski not sure why proof would deny faith

[02:43:06] ski proof relies on inference rules, and axioms, which have to be taken on faith

[02:43:30] ski e.g., i don't believe in the "law of excluded middle"

[02:44:27] ski category theorists believes in the *aesthetic* dogma, that to each notion of structure, ought to come a corresponding notion of mapping preserving that structure. this is an article of faith

[02:47:40] ski it is said that above the entrance to the academy in Athens, was written "Let no one enter here who are not familiar with mathematics."

[02:49:04] ski a lot of math is about aesthetics, about being an artform

[02:50:30] ski a lot of progress in the sciences (in a general sense) comes from asking the right (or at least better) questions

[02:53:45] ski i've been a bit interested in apophatics, recent years

[02:54:33] ski my hunch is that probably most of the fractions have gotten at least something right

[02:56:16] ski "J^W" ?

[02:57:41] ski Thomas Merton was interesting

[02:58:30] ski he was a trappist monk, who visited buddhists in Dharamsala, and Bangkok, to discuss the phenomenon of meditation with them

[02:59:31] ski he also was attracted to Zen, wrote in his biography that he had dreams in which he was robed in trappist cloth, but with some unmistakenly Zen attributes as well

[03:00:21] ski zazen ?

[03:01:16] ski if you're curious, you could check out Merton's (posthumous) "The Inner Experience"

[03:01:35] ski he also draws some parallels to Raja Yoga, and Bhakti Yoga, iirc

[03:02:23] ski "page 3" ?

[03:03:08] ski hm, haven't heard the word before, no

[03:03:40] ski mhm, i see

[03:05:08] ski "Tripitake" in this context being a TV series ?

[03:05:21] ski yea, catholic

[03:06:03] ski was involved in anti-war stuff, &c., as well

[03:09:02] ski ty, fifel

[03:10:46] ski hm, interesting

[03:11:52] ski "it" being ?

[03:12:26] ski mhm

[03:12:53] ski but then, it was maybe eight or ten years since i read it

[03:16:51] ski EO's notion of theosis, and energies, seem interesting

[03:17:05] ski and the connection to platonism, with nous and that stuff

[03:18:23] ski hm, i've heard of "The Gateless Gate" before

[03:19:20] ski yea, they appear more fractured along nation lines

[03:21:47] ski the former is apophatic, talks about "beyond discursive thought", "divine darkness/cloud"

[03:23:39] ski he's more or less the progenitor of the apophatic tradition, in christianity

[03:25:29] ski the main two meditative/contemplative streams there is apophatic mysticism/theology (aka Via Negativa), and cataphatic mysticism/theology (aka Via Affirmativa). the former is a movement away from the physical, by negation, denial. "God is not this, is not that, is beyond human concepts."

[03:27:29] ski the latter is a movement towards the physical, by overloading affirmations. "God is the giver of all good gifts". emphasizes more seeing the good in everyone and everything, helping the poor. Franciscus is one example. he dragged his fellow monks out into nature, when holding sermons, to get them to appreciate nature more, not (only) see it as a dangerous, hostile, place

[03:29:27] ski Hildegard of Bingen (the 1100s) is another cataphatic example. she was a pioneer in writing scientifically about botany and medicine. also wrote plays, poems, composed music, had visions, involved herself in politics

[03:30:16] ski John of the Cross (1500s) is a perhaps more known apophatic. he, together with Theresa of Avila, reformed the carmelite order, which had become corrupt. Theresa had both apophatic and cataphatic aspects

[03:30:56] ski mhm

[03:31:03] ski Abelard and Heloise, hm ?

[03:31:51] ski i didn't, no

[03:34:01] ski the begins (sp ?) ?

[03:34:32] ski iirc, their appearance was also related to a lot of weremen being killed in wars at the time

[03:39:18] ski <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js1_dQ-ubRs>, Peter Halldorf is a pentecostal pastor who's interested in the church fathers. he leads an ecumenical community, with a liturgy inspired by coptic, syrian, as well as lutheran and more contemporary pentecostal. in that video, he's talking to a charismatic catholic congregation. he's written a book "How to love your neighbour's church as your own"

[03:40:23] ski yea .. i have very little faith in trying to impose it from above

[03:45:21] ski hah :b

[03:46:42] ski thanks for the conversation

[03:48:09] ski (also see PM)

[03:50:16] ski hm, was that the person in Haiti ?

[03:52:15] ski casserole ? meat ?

[04:01:35] ski onion ?

[04:01:50] ski green spices ?

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