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[06:37:52] ski keelhauling ?

[06:38:05] ski fifel : or gibbet ?

[06:39:54] ski hm, guess i may've been thinking of <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_wheel>

[06:40:27] ski i'm not sure what that means, no

[06:41:58] ski "drawing them out strung to draught horses" -- ah, i remember reading about this

[06:42:05] ski (didn't know the english term, though)

[06:42:42] ski hm .. "fascinating" is related to latin "fasces" (as in "fascist"), yes ?

[06:44:11] ski "slowly use weight to murder someone by adding more weight every day" -- hmm .. yea, i remember that featuring in one of the "Paksenarrion" trilogy books by Elizabeth Moon (although it was more over an hour or a few, rather than days, in the story)

[06:46:55] ski he sounds a bit disturbed

[06:48:50] ski how would he get to compose a poem about the experience, if he'd been murdered during it ?

[06:51:27] ski (the games in the series are creepy, sad, tragic, touching, &c. .. the stories tend to involve some or other old obscure (Shinto ?) ritual)

[06:58:47] ski (hm, now i'm reminded of a torturer ghost, in the "Elvira: Mistress of the Dark" game by Horrorsoft in 1990. see e.g. <http://www.nemmelheim.de/horrorsoft/#english> for some info about the games)

[06:59:08] ski morn, deadly

[07:02:38] ski (that game had, hm, at least nine different (rather graphic, gory, hand-pixellated) death scenes of the player. also the sequel, and the kinda-sequel-sequel ("Waxworks"), had a lot of those. later, Horrorsoft was renamed to Adventuresoft, and produced the "Simon the Sorceror" (humorous adventure) games)

[07:03:21] ski dunno what "guro" is

[07:03:44] ski (oh, actually, i think i did see that term, recently. didn't look up what it referred to, though)

[07:03:53] ski mhm, ic, ty

[07:06:20] ski hmm .. Katharine Kerr's "Deverry" (high celtic) fantasy series involves various celtic themes .. some dark. can't recall anything like what you described by Graves, though

[07:06:47] ski (hm, there's people in "The Coffin of Andy and Leyley" named "Graves", as well)

[07:07:53] ski hm. related to Aranrhodda, mayhaps ?

[07:08:00] ski or some other goddess or god ?

[07:09:05] ski hm, Aranrhodda represented the dark face of the moon

[07:09:23] ski there was another goddess, representing the three other phases, i think. can't recall the name atm

[07:09:34] ski (iirc there were also parallels to Kybele)

[07:10:13] ski "maiden / mother / crone" -- oh, the Erinyes ?

[07:10:25] ski (or am i thinking of Hecate, hm ?)

[07:11:08] ski hm, also i'm reminded of the bacchantes

[07:12:19] ski i recall reading a (short) book that there were not just weremen societies, dedicated to wolf, bear, &c. (wearing masks and outfit meant to make them embody their totem), but also there were, at least some similar societies for women

[07:13:53] ski mhm

[07:15:51] ski would Artemis be the maiden, and Aphrodite the mother ?

[07:16:22] ski hm, not sure i'd guessed that

[07:22:15] ski (several of her other videos are also interesting, e.g. "The Desecration of Femininity" in 2022-03-28 at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6W2zcSefts>, and "The Feminine Hero: Was I Wrong?" in 2023-01-11 at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5IgMUhs4-E>)

[07:22:55] ski what would be the significance of that about Hephaistos, according to Graves ?

[07:25:13] ski wasn't Hephaistos the smith god ?

[07:25:43] ski hm, i guess Akilles had his heel, yea

[07:26:15] ski agriculture vs. horticulture ?

[07:27:16] ski one could wonder about the particular symbolism of leg, though

[07:28:07] ski perhaps related to mobility, going out into the wilderness (hunting, say), and into wider social circles (trading, war, going to other settlements, &c.)

[07:28:16] ski well, i suppose that too

[07:32:18] ski stew looks potentially savory and yummy

[07:33:11] ski hmm

[07:34:16] ski Marduk slays Tiamat, and divides up her body, creating the world from it .. seems kinda reminiscent of that notion of multifaceted goddess being divided up into single aspects

[07:34:57] ski (Tiamat being the salt water dragon. Abzu being related to sweet water)

[07:36:21] ski onion, carrots, zucchini/squash, tomatos, parsnip, leek ?

[07:38:02] ski mhm

[07:38:45] ski it sounds great, wez :D

[07:39:35] ski "the Hearth Murderer Crone" -- hmm ? any relation to Vesta ?

[07:42:05] ski well, iirc, in some sumerian city-state, the king (embodying Marduk) would, once a year, go out of the city, be stripped of all his robes and insignia, and made to confess all the ways in which he'd not been able to embody Marduk (leading his people in strength and justice). and then, iirc, he'd have ritual sex with a priestess, before being allowed back

[07:42:34] ski (hm, isn't there a woman taming the wild-man Enkidu, as well ? or maybe i'm confusing stories)

[07:43:13] ski "She has a name in Greek" -- which name ?

[07:43:41] ski "Graves amplified that correspondence in his snuff fantasy" -- i see. makes kinda sense. at least given his initial inclinations

[07:45:21] ski "don’t agree with Graves’ absolutising" -- that aspect of his narrative does seem a bit extreme. there could still be some symbolic truth to it, though, even if perhaps only a fragmentary piece/aspect of a larger story

[07:45:41] ski morn, pankakes

[07:46:50] ski (or should i say "top of the morning to you !", perchance .)

[07:49:08] ski wez : brussel sprouts are also nice, in such a stew or soup. asparagus, allspice, dill, thyme, basil, powdered paprika, turmeric, black pepper

[07:49:33] ski hoi, irish666

[07:57:57] ski ah .. right. i should have recalled that name, actually, i've heard it before

[07:59:29] ski well .. it could be that he was picking up on the zeitgeist at the time, and able to express in, in terms of the language of the classical myths

[08:00:02] ski (e.g. the name is mentioned in Alan Moore's "Promethea")

[08:03:51] ski wouldn't surprise me, yea

[08:05:09] ski hm, account, in which work ?

[08:06:17] ski hm, okay. yea, i didn't read that series

[08:08:13] ski (read a bunch of his other comic works, though. his are basically the only superhero stuff i've found interesting. didn't really enjoy "Tom Strong" though, although "Promethea","Swamp Thing","The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen","Watchmen". also "V for Vendetta")

[08:08:58] ski yea .. only seen some parts of the "V for Vendetta" film. liked the comic album better

[08:11:05] ski .. also haven't seen the film adaptation of Jacques Tardi's "The Extraordinary Adventures of Adèle Blanc-Sec". been dissuaded by some shots or promotional material, in which she was *smiling* (the horror)

[08:12:09] ski (haven't really seen the "The Sandman" adaptation either .. although, judging from a few reviews i saw, it does appear that they did a better job at it than could've been expected (namely bad))

[08:12:46] ski and yea, i read a bunch of "Hellblazer" as well. mostly enjoyed the stories

[08:13:25] ski (i gather there's probably a bunch of newer albums i haven't read, now)

[08:13:51] ski hm, familiar with neither of those

[08:16:21] ski mhm, i see, fifel

[08:18:05] ski .. i'm wondering whether i'd enjoy some shonen fight mangas or animes

[08:19:40] ski Junji Ito's "The Enigma of Amigaru Fault" in 2001-11-12 - 2002-04-15 ("Gyo, Vol. 2: The Death-Stench Creeps") at <https://imgur.com/gallery/WOQCa> was interesting

[08:19:46] ski lo Frogorg

[08:22:43] ski oh, and re french comic artists, François Bourgeon ("Companions of the Twilight","Travellers with the Wind"), Enki Bilal (the "Nikopol" trilogy, &c.), Jean "Mœbius" Giraud ("Aedena","Technopriests"), Didier Comés ("Silence","The Salamander"), are quite nice

[08:24:23] ski Frogorg : tooth ?

[08:24:51] ski someone was going to the dentist .. i think yesterday ? it wasn't you, then ?

[08:24:59] ski mhm

[08:25:27] ski alcoholic withdrawal ? nicotine ?

[08:25:47] ski mhm

[08:26:00] ski .. iirc, weening off some of them can be hard :(

[08:26:07] ski ("weaning" ?)

[08:26:53] ski hm .. because green tea is less fermented ?

[08:27:43] ski mhm, Frogorg

[08:27:55] ski i heard apparently light roasted coffee is stronger

[08:28:24] ski well, if there's some coffee in a cake, or in chocolate, it can be okay

[08:28:29] ski but i don't drink it

[08:29:11] ski Frogorg : yea .. makes sense to only tackle one at a time, i think

[08:30:17] ski ComputerTech : <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibiscus_tea>

[08:30:22] ski tastes great, fruity

[08:30:39] ski you can add some honey if you like

[08:31:30] ski a small spoonful, stirred

[08:31:44] ski (preferably solid, rather than more liquid, honey)

[08:33:54] ski green is okay, but i haven't really got into it

[08:34:31] ski although, when the store here carried "earl green", i did like that

[08:35:05] ski (but then they switched to only the small sachels, rather than loose leaves :/ ..)

[08:35:40] ski it's just green tea, flavored with bergamot oil

[08:37:21] ski what's that song, Frogorg ?

[08:46:25] ski Frogorg : kinda reminds me of "The Day" by Moby (ft. Heather Graham) in 2011 at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JSVaSpD9xo>

[08:56:44] ski oh, the visuals also reminded me of "Ritus" by Supersonus (Anna-Maria Hefele (polyphonic singing),&al) in 2014-08-19 at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4BJ3wng6Mk>, and "Rosary Sonata 1" by ibid in 2014-08-19 at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysSLfwEk5l4>

[08:57:28] ski "punani" being a dish ?

[09:05:57] ski oic

[09:18:05] ski electronic, as in electronic music ?

[09:25:30] ski (older brothers were into demoscene. i grew up on music like this. when asked in early school what kind of music i liked, i said "demo music". they'd never heard of that. i still tend to prefer nonvocal music commonly, although i've ventured out and liked *some* vocal music as well, in more recent years

[09:27:51] ski well, there's that. but there's also the problem that often i *can* make out *too* much of the lyrics (distracting me from the music tune)

[09:28:27] ski (i tend to OFTEN like my vocal music more descriptive, like telling a story, ballad, whatever)

[09:28:47] ski g'ten morgen, KurtGodel

[09:29:01] ski and hey there, Mikoolo

[09:29:23] ski a larger washer ?

[10:24:24] ski "it calibrated as 7.1" -- because he doesn't understand audio ?

[10:25:20] ski maybe bring a wrench ?

[10:25:33] ski .. heh, oops

[10:25:46] ski well, calibrate a few loose screws, mayhaps

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