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[00:45:31] + brothchild m5 max t/s 103, m4 max t/s 83 - not worth the price bump?

[01:24:34] + brothchild hay

[01:24:36] + brothchild I COULD

[01:24:44] + brothchild sell some stuff and buy an apple M4 MAX

[01:24:56] + brothchild can i get ridd of loser apple OS

[01:43:42] + brothchild https://x0.at/9gbc.ans wood between the worlds: 120 columns 24bit ansi

[03:04:07] + brothchild Someone made a club for us 3090 cavemen! https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090

[03:09:07] + brothchild well you can run MoE right grungy

[03:09:11] + brothchild or do you need the speed

[03:09:40] + brothchild I am happy letting a big model split between VRAM and DRAM chug away at a problem while i do something else

[03:10:08] + brothchild but if you're in a harness, doing agentic, lots of pre-fill tokens, then yeah

[03:10:27] + brothchild but agentic is meh, you give up control. I don't like that.

[03:11:03] + brothchild If you're coding on your own, you can have a slow big model pound out a function for you while you work on something else.

[03:12:31] + brothchild some interesting models for <24GB

[03:12:35] + brothchild 16G Dolphin-Mistral-24B-Venice-Edition.i1-Q5_K_M.gguf

[03:12:35] + brothchild 16G Kimi-VL-A3B-Thinking-2506-Q8_0.gguf

[03:12:35] + brothchild 17G Holo3-35B-A3B-APEX-I-Compact.gguf

[03:12:35] + brothchild 17G Qwen3.5-397B-A17B-IQ3_S-00004-of-00004.gguf

[03:12:35] + brothchild 18G gemma-4-26B-A4B-it-ultra-uncensored-heretic-Q5_K_M.gguf

[03:12:36] + brothchild 18G Qwen3.5-27B.Q6_K_H.gguf

[03:12:36] + brothchild 19G Big-Tiger-Gemma-27B-v3.i1-Q5_K_M.gguf

[03:12:37] + brothchild 20G Qwen3.5-35B-A3B-heretic.i1-Q4_K_M.gguf

[03:13:08] + brothchild oops ignore that 397B

[03:13:44] + brothchild if you can deal with a bit less ctx

[03:13:46] + brothchild 21G Huihui-Qwen3.5-27B-Claude-4.6-Opus-abliterated.Q6_K.gguf

[03:13:46] + brothchild 21G OpenAI-gpt-oss-20B-INSTRUCT-Terse-Heretic-Uncensored.i1-Q6_K.gguf

[03:13:46] + brothchild 21G Seed-OSS-36B-Base-Instruct-Karcher-Merge.Q4_K_M.gguf

[03:14:04] + brothchild 22G gemma-4-26B-A4B-it-uncensored-heretic-Q6_K.gguf

[03:14:04] + brothchild 22G OLMo-2-0325-32B-Instruct-Q5_K_M.gguf

[03:14:06] + brothchild 23G medgemma-27b-it-UD-Q6_K_XL.gguf

[03:29:30] + brothchild grungy: do you need the card to run your display or is all the 16GB free?

[03:29:39] + brothchild i have some suggesterions for < 16 GB also

[03:31:52] + brothchild SO AWESOME with tuned kernel + dfloash i can go from 21tok/s to 125!!!!!

[03:32:04] + brothchild with qwen3.6-27B

[03:34:19] + brothchild running mostly in your harness then? mostly coding?

[03:34:43] + brothchild i'm not very experienced in what's good for that

[03:35:57] + brothchild yeh idk, i find 9B a bit lacking

[03:35:59] + brothchild maybe try

[03:36:02] + brothchild 12G Josiefied-Qwen3-30B-A3B-abliterated-v2.i1-Q5_K_M.gguf

[03:36:02] + brothchild 12G Qwen3-Coder-30B-APEX-Mini.gguf

[03:36:02] + brothchild 13G gemma-4-26B-A4B-heretic-APEX-I-Mini.gguf

[03:36:03] + brothchild 13G gemma-4-26B-A4B-it-UD-IQ4_XS.gguf

[03:36:18] + brothchild surprisingly this has been amazing for me

[03:36:21] + brothchild 9.6G Qwen3-Coder-30B-A3B-Instruct-Q3_K_S-2.69bpw.gguf

[03:36:35] + brothchild Byteshape's 2.69bpw quant has just been magic

[03:36:48] + brothchild idk maybe it's just my small sample size and luck

[03:37:15] + brothchild but it's just really understanding what i want

[03:38:39] + brothchild are you running safetensors then?

[03:41:33] + brothchild a 9b model at a Q_4 quant should use like 5GB for the weights

[03:41:40] + brothchild what's using up your remaining 11GB

[03:42:10] + brothchild also idk if ollama is a good choice

[03:42:13] + brothchild i think it's not

[03:43:31] + brothchild good day sir Zathras

[04:02:29] + brothchild i recommend llama.cpp for exploring models and learning how to run efficiently.

[04:02:49] + brothchild i am biased as a contributor though

[04:06:14] + brothchild i've got a script now that throws together 1) Random Actors and Actions 2) Random scene/setting 3) Random lighting/mood

[04:06:26] + brothchild making some funny combos with flux2

[04:07:03] + brothchild but every image has mild to severe mody distortion/mutation

[04:08:47] + brothchild it's just hilarious that i can have a $100 laptop running image generation constantly, not notice any significant CPU load

[04:09:03] + brothchild and run LFM2-8B-A1B at the same time

[04:09:10] + brothchild horray for china!

[04:41:54] + brothchild how much VRAM

[04:42:16] + brothchild 5.4G gemma-4-E4B-it-obliterated-Q5_K_M.gguf might be nice

[04:42:28] + brothchild 5.6G LFM2-8B-A1B-absolute-heresy.i1-Q5_K_M.gguf

[04:42:28] + brothchild 5.8G GLM-4.6V-Flash-heretic-imatrix-Q4_K_M.gguf

[04:42:45] + brothchild 4.8G Crow-9B-Opus-4.6-Distill-Heretic_Qwen3.5.i1-IQ4_XS.gguf

[04:42:59] + brothchild 4.7G huihui-ai.Qwen3-8B-abliterated.Q4_K_M.gguf

[04:42:59] + brothchild 4.7G LFM2-8B-A1B-HuiHui-abliterated.i1-Q4_K_M.gguf

[04:44:34] + brothchild 1050 has 2GB? says websearch

[04:45:09] + brothchild rx570 has 4GB and 8GB versions

[04:45:38] + brothchild i wouldn't bother with < 8GB

[04:47:21] + brothchild small models can be fun on iGPU also! cheap Vega8 can still be useful

[05:15:36] + brothchild i might be a bit too dismissive of qwen3.5-9b. IN agentic harness with websearch it can be good

[05:15:42] + brothchild https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1t1n6o8/we_are_finally_there_qwen3627b_agentic_search_957/

[05:15:56] + brothchild beating gpt-oss-20b? wow

[05:20:28] + brothchild faster than my laptop! :)

[05:20:44] + brothchild i got 16GB shared 2ch ddr4 about 33GB/s and vega8

[05:21:19] + brothchild and a couple <13GB models can one-shot game simulations on this office thinkpad

[05:21:21] + brothchild it amazin

[06:03:39] + brothchild kryptik: wing commander was pretty impressive on 286 but i think it wanted 12mhz to be smooth

[06:04:09] + brothchild i invented that rendering that they used for wing commander btw. had a little demo and all.

[06:04:57] + brothchild could use one as unhackable IRC computer

[06:05:28] + brothchild idk

[06:05:52] + brothchild i don't think anyone's done it in 64KB. the msdos IRC + TCP stack needs more

[06:06:20] + brothchild i have a 640KB machine that can do irc via ethernet over parallel printer port

[06:06:29] + brothchild it's pretty wacky

[06:07:09] + brothchild i spent a year living at a game company

[06:09:28] + brothchild what's a msp

[06:09:53] + brothchild ok i websearch that ty

[06:10:27] + brothchild the only thing i could do was education, tailored to needs. Liability for service provision too dicey.

[06:11:29] + brothchild make friends, provide good value, be positive, you'll be one of the last to be laid-off

[06:12:50] + brothchild i dont know how some coders avoid getting physically ill from the environments they are expected to function in

[06:13:42] + brothchild I liked the limited political entanglement I enjoyed as a consultant.

[06:14:28] + brothchild i liked 'brief' editor under DOS

[06:14:42] + brothchild for IDE of course Borland Turbo-C

[06:14:57] + brothchild ✓ that mlu

[06:15:14] + brothchild though it's strangely hard to remember some things in vi

[06:15:39] + brothchild i was at a company where even the secretaries had to learn vi

[06:15:42] + brothchild it was a trip

[06:15:57] + brothchild ended 2001

[06:17:05] + brothchild i can't get all worked-up over editors

[06:17:50] + brothchild there's only a certain speed I can think, and giving me faster editing via fancy shortcuts has diminishing returns

[06:18:29] + brothchild my things are small enough that i just make my own versions

[06:19:15] + brothchild agree @ tedious

[06:20:45] + brothchild it should be smart enough to set the filesystem's timestamps correctly

[06:21:44] + brothchild well if your version control overwrites a newer filesystem timestamp with an older version of the file, i think it should reflect the version control date, not the physical creation date

[06:21:57] + brothchild s/creation/modification

[06:22:54] + brothchild i thought vcs's had their own criteria for modifications different than filesystem

[06:22:58] + brothchild shows how much i know i guess

[06:23:49] + brothchild yeah ^

[06:25:04] + brothchild https://huggingface.co/LuffyTheFox/Qwen3.6-27B-Uncensored-Wasserstein ooo possibly improved over original

[06:25:21] + brothchild agree mlu

[06:25:30] + brothchild why can't i quickly get a summary of issues i've posted-to

[06:26:04] + brothchild i'm not sure i like gitlab either tho

[06:26:35] + brothchild <- clueless about vcs and will always be

[06:26:53] + brothchild what's a nice place to host my small linux utility programs and games

[06:27:13] + brothchild i used to just rent a website

[06:27:27] + brothchild i hear ya kryptik

[06:27:52] + brothchild i peaked around 25000 uniques a month with my software site

[06:27:55] + brothchild felt good aboot that

[06:28:41] + brothchild ooo mlu with new kernel params i seem to be able to flux.2-klein at 768x768!

[06:28:51] + brothchild on 2019 thinkpad t495

[06:29:12] + brothchild this ai stuff is the most computer fun i've had in a long time

[06:29:53] + brothchild sorta

[06:30:12] + brothchild i got to play online games in 1981

[06:30:15] + brothchild and it blew my mind

[06:31:42] + brothchild https://x0.at/lQZ_.jpg Empire - predecessor to Netrek

[06:32:25] + brothchild a huge number of americans get some form of aid

[06:33:16] + brothchild living with parents at that age can end up souring relationship

[06:34:01] + brothchild if they counted inflation accurately also

[06:35:45] + brothchild if you can stand it get into some government work

[06:49:06] + brothchild amazing mlu going to 768x768 seems to have fixed it

[06:49:48] + brothchild i would

[06:50:25] + brothchild about 39 minutes for one pic though :)

[06:50:33] + brothchild but lappy didn't even get warm

[06:52:04] + brothchild really wish i'd had an audio interface in the front like you do on the rightmost pc

[06:52:26] + brothchild shush

[06:52:41] + brothchild what's in thr racks?

[06:52:52] + brothchild oh nice

[06:53:03] + brothchild i am nostalgic for CRTs now

[06:53:52] + brothchild i'm typing on a yellowed cherry keyboard now

[06:54:37] + brothchild thank you mlu for reminding me to try a more standard resolution

[06:55:38] + brothchild 16 is what BFL said

[06:55:57] + brothchild and i was getting shite at 640x480 or 480x640 and many other lower resultions

[06:56:08] + brothchild will let this run today

[06:56:30] + brothchild kryptik: has 5 1/4" floppy too, based.

[06:56:49] + brothchild nice

[06:57:00] + brothchild you are aware of retronode irc yes?

[06:57:07] + brothchild they all about the retro

[06:57:20] + brothchild not particularly hoppin but it's irc after all

[06:57:26] + brothchild but ppl who know their retro

[06:58:34] + brothchild show them your pic and you will have frends

[06:59:01] + brothchild that was the swankest

[07:00:41] + brothchild last amd before the evil-inside™

[07:01:18] + brothchild played through witcher 2 and 3 on that fx

[07:01:57] + brothchild score kryptik

[07:02:14] + brothchild man we're fx club here

[07:02:45] + brothchild it was a bit slower single threaded than intel at the time

[07:03:26] + brothchild voodoo was big for quake 1 right

[07:03:51] + brothchild i worked on 3D games before 3dfx hit the scene

[07:04:35] + brothchild yes zer0s

[07:04:39] + brothchild bulldozer was aptly named

[07:05:06] + brothchild it's about as fast as my snapdragon 865

[07:05:09] + brothchild 765

[07:05:53] + brothchild i was running ffmpeg transcoding on the snapdragon for months, set on a cold metal plate

[07:06:27] + brothchild nice

[07:07:16] + brothchild linux + dosbox is good times

[07:09:36] + brothchild i think the irc server operators are providing a resource that could be better utilized

[07:10:16] + brothchild i made a mirc mascot irc art kryptik

[07:10:19] + brothchild lemme find

[07:10:35] + brothchild what's his name again, that alligator

[07:11:02] + brothchild "arnie"

[07:11:52] + brothchild https://x0.at/h0FM.png kryptik irc99 color palette, 74 columns of text

[07:12:36] + brothchild i worked on that til it could not be improved but oh well, he didn't like it

[07:13:03] + brothchild ty kryptik

[07:13:15] + brothchild text-art is ridiculous autism

[07:13:52] + brothchild nice

[07:24:14] + brothchild what sorta graphics work did you do mlu?

[07:24:49] + brothchild ah nice

[07:25:01] + brothchild there are some amazing browser demos

[07:26:28] + brothchild i'd love to make passive cooling conversions for old thinkpads

[07:26:58] + brothchild khadas vim3 is nice sbc

[07:27:01] + brothchild quite open

[07:38:57] + brothchild anything under 500GB/s memory feels slow to me now

[07:40:06] + brothchild there was some recent issue with postgres reported on phoronix

[07:42:14] + brothchild i had a client wanting me to deliver them Oracle for their toy database. I was like come on people...

[07:42:31] + brothchild ended up 'we will not be able to work well together'

[07:43:05] + brothchild they wanted microsoft com+ for a website that would have been better with straight html

[07:43:08] + brothchild they were idiots

[07:43:35] + brothchild people with no clue about anything insisting on the brand name they read most in their trade mag

[07:44:19] + brothchild postgres was overkill for these people

[07:45:48] + brothchild could you s/mo/moo for that trigger :P

[07:47:35] + brothchild i look at IT world and do not regret being completely unemployable now

[07:53:51] + brothchild hail bob

[07:54:07] + brothchild btw my font also has bob

[07:55:52] + brothchild kryptik: here's some of my best text art https://x0.at/Yw3f.png

[07:56:00] + brothchild and that does *not* need a special font

[07:56:27] + brothchild i'm not the coder i wish i was though

[07:57:56] + brothchild it's not easy to do interesting monsters in three rows of text

[07:58:05] + brothchild thanks man

[07:58:11] + brothchild i need encouragement to keep going

[07:59:07] + brothchild i think the only animated sprites i'll do are the flying things

[07:59:24] + brothchild there's just no way to animate those well

[08:03:14] + brothchild hey kryptik you want to write a procedural brick-wall generator

[08:03:27] + brothchild i haven't figured out a good way to do that, would be cooler than just using tiled graphics

[08:03:38] + brothchild oh wait mlu knows gfx

[08:04:27] + brothchild i should pretend to be a girl graphcis designer and watch programmers line up to work on my game idea

[08:13:25] + brothchild yea

[08:13:45] + brothchild the grey wall around the houses is sposed to be some kinda shield wall thingy ok not brick, stone sorry

[08:14:01] + brothchild but the neat thing is with braille you're not confined to a small set of glyphs

[08:14:17] + brothchild you can treat the braille characters as 2x4 pixels

[08:14:41] + brothchild so that opens it up to generating non-repeating things like grass or stone walls

[08:14:51] + brothchild procedural generation they used to call it

[08:18:07] + brothchild https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Qwen3.6-27B-GGUF/resolve/main/Qwen3.6-27B-UD-Q2_K_XL.gguf this one can do real work, albeit very slowly, on a 16GB laptop

[08:55:47] + brothchild somethin that looks like the sample pic

[08:55:59] + brothchild stone rather yeah. i can't think of a good way right now

[08:56:06] + brothchild maybe voroni maps perturbed

[08:57:12] + brothchild i can barely make a spell combat turn system with llm help

[08:57:21] + brothchild but i did, it works like trails in the sky

[08:57:44] + brothchild where you place a combat action like an attack or a spell in a timeline, then timeline moves along and things execute

[08:58:01] + brothchild yeah there's some regularity but also variance

[08:59:16] + brothchild wouldn't look good

[09:00:09] + brothchild with stone wall you ahve stones over each other, occluding

[09:00:18] + brothchild also different look from top or side so there's that

[09:00:36] + brothchild but maybe this is a trainable small network thing

[09:17:55] + brothchild if you have suggestions for terms that would help me focus my search please share

[09:18:54] + brothchild i'm looking into OpenBoE for a backend system

[09:19:09] + brothchild but i'd need claude or something to strip out huge chunks of evil in that

[09:19:37] + brothchild or maybe go simpler and do a renderer for xu4 - the ultima 4 engine

[09:20:08] + brothchild no way can i do all the systems balancing and framework for an rpg

[09:20:37] + brothchild but maybe i could work on a harness to have an AI play through it and generate play data that could be used to balance things out

[09:21:10] + brothchild doing the graphics alone would consume all my energy

[09:49:31] + brothchild i was thinking something small enough to reside in a couple hundred kB of weights

[09:50:03] + brothchild the parameter space of pixelated stone wall is pretty small.

[09:50:22] + brothchild compared to 'draw anything' diffusors

[09:50:43] + brothchild maybe a few tens of kB

[09:51:05] + brothchild one generation grabs to the first high-level massive thing that looks similar

[09:51:22] + brothchild the older generation wants to find the minimal code that can generate the most beauty

[10:08:41] + brothchild do you want to draw the maps, picking out matching tiles by hand

[10:09:44] + brothchild or pull a mouse over some grass and get an organic looking stone wall

[10:11:22] + brothchild that'd get me a very copycat look to 1980s-early 90s console RPGs

[10:11:44] + brothchild which is a respectable fun thing if done competitively

[10:11:53] + brothchild but i prefer to innovate

[10:14:26] + brothchild https://arxiv.org/pdf/1706.03950 related work

[10:23:23] + brothchild one thing that's done is matching up shapes of adjacent tiles and generating pointer lists for each of the 4 edges for valid neighbors

[10:23:49] + brothchild you can fill with almost no computation that way

[10:24:49] + brothchild instead of picking at random you do a deterministic hashed function using x,y of the current tile as input

[10:24:56] + brothchild i should make a demo of that after my nap

[19:40:00] + brothchild ha

[20:07:33] + brothchild and we still don't have terminal fonts with block-braille as standard

[20:08:03] + brothchild End3r: https://x0.at/gElM.png https://x0.at/jCzO.ans block braille, 80 columns text, 24bit ansi color

[20:08:31] + brothchild yup.

[21:13:29] + brothchild if i ran a restaurant i'd make a menu item called "Grumpy Dumplings"

[21:13:48] + brothchild wb kryptik

[21:13:59] + brothchild czech out the unicode art https://x0.at/AzGW.png

[21:19:28] + brothchild thanks man no that was about 20 hours of pixel pushing text

[21:19:33] + brothchild runs in irc

[21:19:39] + brothchild can't paste it here

[21:20:18] + brothchild pasteit /media/sdb1/Downloads/ascii/muppetinjector4fin.un9 there's text with irc color codes

[21:20:46] + brothchild hmm no that version is bad nevermind

[21:21:50] + brothchild there's the ansi color coded text version https://x0.at/ERzF.ans

[21:21:56] + brothchild put it in your friend's .bashrc

[21:22:01] + brothchild aww

[21:22:32] + brothchild oh yeah sory

[21:22:38] + brothchild i am defective in mouse hilighting

[21:23:24] + brothchild no it text

[21:24:30] + brothchild with ecma-48 ANSI color codes https://github.com/termstandard/colors

[21:25:13] + brothchild a png file is more complicated

[21:26:30] + brothchild ttyl

[21:26:32] + brothchild ty!

[21:26:39] + brothchild good luck with studys

[21:27:25] + brothchild math needs to be practiced not just read though

[21:27:41] + brothchild +

[21:28:07] + brothchild someday a math genius will improve on my IRC art compressor

[21:28:48] + brothchild there are multiple ways to represent the same line of text, differing by a factor of 2-4x in space requirement

[21:29:03] + brothchild i can share my program (non-ai)

[21:29:08] + brothchild no ai can understand this problem

[21:29:12] + brothchild no ai can help with this problem

[21:29:17] + brothchild they are all completely confused by it

[21:30:43] + brothchild o.

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