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[18:24:03] ski/rizon bonsoir

[18:24:09] ski/rizon @seen h4

[18:25:30] ski/rizon h4 might be here in a few hours

[18:26:08] ski/rizon (oh, and apparently i missed you by a few minutes, this morning .. was replying to someone else)

[18:26:50] ski/rizon yah, no worry

[18:27:38] ski/rizon toni wrote a silly rhyming "poem" for me, apparently

[18:27:57] ski/rizon OXOX

[18:28:28] ski/rizon (also, you forgot to fill in one of the squares on the board)

[18:29:25] ski/rizon rock'n'roll

[18:29:43] ski/rizon wossat ?

[18:30:34] ski/rizon don't play games with me

[18:31:16] ski/rizon hm, did you get the flu, too, jeff_stacey ?

[18:31:38] ski/rizon yea, it can easily make it harder to follow a conversation, since everything scrolls by so fast

[18:33:04] ski/rizon (not sure where Pipa disappeared, though)

[18:33:07] ski/rizon hello Hotties

[18:40:40] ski/rizon hm

[18:41:22] ski/rizon sometimes i forget something i was supposed to do, and going back to the location i started at often helps to remember

[18:41:49] ski/rizon you could be distractable, sushi-chan ?

[18:41:55] ski/rizon (i can sure be, at times)

[18:43:24] ski/rizon if it happens everyday, they you might want to check it up with a doc, yea

[18:44:12] ski/rizon .. my episodic memory also isn't too great

[18:44:44] ski/rizon also, it seems my associative memory often works better in one direction (from specific/concrete to general/abstract), than in the other

[18:45:35] ski/rizon well, that's declarative memory. while what you ate is (short-term) episodic

[18:45:50] ski/rizon also, you'll better remember things you're interested in

[18:46:12] ski/rizon (likely you find japanese more interesting than what you happened to eat, yesterday)

[18:46:18] ski/rizon .. maybe ?

[18:46:40] ski/rizon .. maybe ?

[18:47:04] ski/rizon well .. i tend to pick up knowledge about stuff that i find interesting

[18:47:28] ski/rizon (and vice versa, not pick up knowledge about things i don't find interesting, or find boring .. even if i know it would be useful. this can be a problem, at times)

[18:48:44] ski/rizon do you think you daydream a lot ?

[18:48:55] ski/rizon or "have your head in the blue", so to speak, often ?

[18:49:09] ski/rizon "not being present in the physical here and now"

[18:49:25] ski/rizon .. i think i do that quite often, anyway

[18:50:42] ski/rizon sometimes i distract myself too much, removing myself several times from what i was thinking about, to another topic, so i can forget what i set out to think about, to begin with

[18:51:08] ski/rizon yea .. occasionally, i've been known to put things in weird places, or forget them

[18:51:35] ski/rizon (like forgetting wallet in library, because i was checking something with library card, and didn't immediately put wallet back in pocket)

[18:52:56] ski/rizon it's best if i put important things where i usually place them, e.g. when coming home and leaving keys in a certain place. but occasionally, if i'm distracted (e.g. someone else talking to me), i could happen to leave it in a strange place and then not remember where .. or forget to take something with me, if leaving

[18:54:10] ski/rizon as a kid, when walking to school (a few kilometres), i remember being astonished one time when i realized i'd walked a distance, and then crossed the large road, at a street light, without having any memory of pressing the button, waiting for green light, and then crossing (hopefully also checking left and right, just in case)

[18:54:53] ski/rizon if i'm following someone else somewhere, i can very easily not pay attention to the path taken, and then not know how to get back

[18:55:51] ski/rizon "I was wearing them" -- apparently not too uncommon to happen :)

[18:56:05] ski/rizon .. reminds me of a story i heard

[18:56:10] ski/rizon (apparently true story)

[18:58:04] ski/rizon there was some kind of, hm, i think it was mycologist (mushroom/champignon specialist). he was on the bus (i think). he wondered where he'd put his glasses. he asked a girl standing near him "little girl, have you seen my glasses ?". she answered "they are on your forehead .. father"

[18:59:28] ski/rizon someone who specialized in knowing everything about mushrooms .. at least the local ones in the area

[19:00:05] ski/rizon like it's someone who emergency services call, if someone's got mushroom poisoning, and they want to know what kind of mushroom, so that they know how to try to detox the person

[19:00:25] ski/rizon well, most of the mushrooms they know would not be edible .. or not that tasty, anyway

[19:00:58] ski/rizon although .. apparently some specialists/enthusiasts seem to think that every mushroom is edible, at least with proper preparation

[19:01:26] ski/rizon so they can boil and throw away the water multiple times, to get rid of most of the toxins .. if they're water-soluble

[19:01:32] ski/rizon (doesn't work for some toxins)

[19:01:46] ski/rizon fried mushrooms can be very nice :)

[19:02:03] ski/rizon also mushrooms in sauce/stew is fine .. not too fond of it in salad

[19:02:37] ski/rizon i guess it usually tasted quite a bit umami

[19:03:04] ski/rizon (soya, shrimp, hard cheese, beef also taste umami)

[19:03:16] ski/rizon i wouldn't eat anything else than well done

[19:04:32] ski/rizon (istr Miraculix, in Asterix & Obelix, saying about mushrooms (that they'd picked) "it must be fried. the aroma and flavor of mushrooms are brought forward in a completely different way, when frying")

[19:04:54] ski/rizon do you use sour milk products, in france ?

[19:05:08] ski/rizon hm, guess you use crème fraîche, at least

[19:06:30] ski/rizon hm .. i just use that term

[19:06:39] ski/rizon (that's what we call it here, as well)

[19:06:53] ski/rizon (maybe there's some other english term for it, i dunno)

[19:07:04] ski/rizon chocolate mousse

[19:07:08] ski/rizon or pudding

[19:07:21] ski/rizon hehe ;)

[19:08:05] ski/rizon crème brulèe (sp ?) ?

[19:08:25] ski/rizon saying "pudding" might be better

[19:09:54] ski/rizon sushi-chan : hm, reminds me .. did you see "Långfil" ("long soured milk") ?

[19:15:00] ski/rizon heya h4

[19:15:05] ski/rizon elfs, or sprites ?

[19:15:18] ski/rizon (pixies, maybe, i guess)

[19:19:19] ski/rizon sushi-chan : hm, didn't find the video clip i was thinking about. you could try <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8DlTfiU8Lhw> and <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT_Ty-fJPHQ>. Långfil has a special consistency, almost "rubbery". it can easily fall off your spoon, leaving no spots on the spoon, when you attempt to scoop it up

[19:21:20] ski/rizon maybe some were stale ?

[19:22:24] ski/rizon last year, i got stomach pains .. enough so i couldn't sit down, had to stand up, and constantly move around

[19:22:52] ski/rizon (well, guts, more like, than stomach per se)

[19:23:37] ski/rizon sushi-chan : they can certainly sting your throat, making it swell up. if you're allergic, you could die of asphyxiation from that

[19:24:22] ski/rizon probably noy as dangerous, but still unpleasant

[19:24:27] ski/rizon s/noy/not/

[19:24:47] ski/rizon .. try to let one sting you ?

[19:24:51] ski/rizon (maybe not a good idea)

[19:25:22] ski/rizon heh, deadly

[19:26:09] ski/rizon my brother accidentally put his foot in a ground wasp nest (up in the mountains, on a grassy (not that flat) small plain)

[19:26:33] ski/rizon i think probably not

[19:28:01] ski/rizon although, they do say something like that, about ohrwurms/earwig .. that it can crawl into your ear and reach your brain

[19:28:12] ski/rizon (afaik, it's not really true)

[19:28:36] ski/rizon it's what people *say* about them

[19:28:38] ski/rizon yea, not earrings

[19:28:57] ski/rizon those small insects that have tail that look like a pair of tongues

[19:30:32] ski/rizon CT reset it

[19:30:43] ski/rizon ah, right

[19:31:23] ski/rizon sushi-chan : they might vacate to covering different places in the house

[19:31:38] ski/rizon do you catch flies and put in their web ?

[19:31:48] ski/rizon even when they're adult ?

[19:34:20] ski/rizon hmm .. i think mostly adolescent phase is not really a thing, or at least very short

[19:34:36] ski/rizon humans do have an exceptionally long maturation time

[19:35:25] ski/rizon (also, many other animals are much more capable, when they're born/hatched .. but because of our big brain size, we can't be carried that long, and so human infants are very helpless)

[19:36:18] ski/rizon elephants have good memory .. and they grieve departed family members, returning to their bones at times

[19:36:32] ski/rizon they say that an elephant will never forget it, if you hit it

[19:38:04] ski/rizon (there are a few animals with a gestation period longer than humans .. iirc, longest may have been a bit over one year .. or maybe it was two, i don't recall exactly. it was a somewhat smaller animal, i think somewhere up in the mountains)

[19:39:09] ski/rizon sushi-chan : starfish, and some worms, can also regrow the missing part, if lost. and the missing part can sometimes regrow, too, so you get two animals from one .. a kind of cloning, i guess

[19:39:39] ski/rizon also, there are individual trees which are more than a thousand years old

[19:39:50] ski/rizon (maybe it was more than two or three, i can't recall)

[19:40:25] ski/rizon if you boil a jellyfish, won't most of it dissolve in the water ?

[19:40:31] ski/rizon guess you could make soup

[19:40:53] ski/rizon nettle cells

[19:41:16] ski/rizon well, i think most (all) actually can. but most can't get through our skin with it

[19:41:42] ski/rizon there are cacti fruits that are delicious :)

[19:41:54] ski/rizon pithahaya, e.g.

[19:42:38] ski/rizon iirc, you have to sign a contract before, that any injury is on you

[19:42:49] ski/rizon blowfish, yea

[19:43:02] ski/rizon (apparently considered a delicacy)

[19:43:21] ski/rizon smoked salmon ?

[19:44:54] ski/rizon not too fond of graved salmon. smoked, or fried, or put in stew or sauce is fine. or oven cooked

[19:45:11] ski/rizon <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravlax>

[19:45:36] ski/rizon The word gravlax comes from the Northern Germanic word gräva/grave ("to dig"; modern sense "to cure (fish)") which goes back to the Proto-Germanic *grabą, *grabō ("hole in the ground; ditch, trench; grave") and the Indo-European root *ghrebh- "to dig, to scratch, to scrape", and lax/laks, "salmon".

[19:45:50] ski/rizon During the Middle Ages, gravlax was made by fishermen, who salted the salmon and lightly fermented it by burying it in the sand above the high-tide line.

[19:47:01] ski/rizon Fermentation is no longer used in the production process. Instead the salmon is "buried" in a dry marinade of salt, sugar, and dill, and cured for between twelve hours and a few days. As the salmon cures, by the action of osmosis, the moisture turns the dry cure into a highly concentrated brine, which can be used in Scandinavian cooking as part of a sauce. This same method of curing can b

[19:47:07] ski/rizon for any fatty fish, but salmon is the most commonly used.

[19:47:39] ski/rizon not sure i'd like that, sushi-chan

[19:47:46] ski/rizon maybe if it was very fresh

[19:48:16] ski/rizon (like, made at most half an hour before, i guess)

[19:48:44] ski/rizon what's the difference between sushi and sashimi ?

[19:49:02] ski/rizon (or is it "sashami" ?)

[19:49:56] ski/rizon around here, they've started using local seaweed from outside the coast, e.g. in local gourmet restaurants

[19:50:17] ski/rizon hm, i see

[19:50:27] ski/rizon why not ?

[19:50:42] ski/rizon because it's low in nutrition ? or you can only afford a little, because it's expensive ?

[19:50:53] ski/rizon ah, ok

[19:51:43] ski/rizon .. kinda like caviar (like the russian one, from sturgeon)

[19:52:16] ski/rizon .. around here, we have cheap caviar, e.g. from cod, or other fish. commonly used on sandwiches. not very expensive

[19:52:32] ski/rizon hm, that sounds nicee :)

[19:52:38] ski/rizon dill ?

[19:52:53] ski/rizon a green herb "spice"

[19:53:09] ski/rizon good with fish, e.g.

[19:53:21] ski/rizon <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dill>

[19:53:40] ski/rizon sesame seeds ?

[19:54:08] ski/rizon yea

[19:56:33] ski/rizon it looks pretty taste, overall, sure

[19:56:41] ski/rizon s/taste/tasty/

[19:57:01] ski/rizon don't they sometimes make rice balls, filled with something else ?

[19:57:22] ski/rizon hm .. or put small dishes in like square holes on a tray or something

[19:57:31] ski/rizon (maybe that's "nigiri" .. or that's something else)

[19:57:40] ski/rizon hehe :p

[19:57:55] ski/rizon well .. it's your nick

[19:58:23] ski/rizon did you check the Långfil, btw ?

[19:58:45] ski/rizon (a kind of sour/cultured milk)

[19:58:56] ski/rizon well .. if i recall

[19:58:59] ski/rizon no worry

[19:59:05] ski/rizon have a nice supper

[19:59:10] ski/rizon sure did, h4

[19:59:46] ski/rizon in the night ?

[20:00:13] ski/rizon yea, i mean if you were planning to sleep inbetween

[20:00:29] ski/rizon (sometimes you're here like 2 o'clock)

[20:00:42] ski/rizon insomnia ?

[20:00:45] ski/rizon oh, ok

[20:01:03] ski/rizon anyway .. off you go. get some food !

[20:01:11] ski/rizon :)

[20:03:37] ski/rizon guess i sometimes sleep 6 hours, sometimes a bit more

[20:04:28] ski/rizon do you often wake up, in the night ? .. or more like having issues going to sleep to begin with ?

[20:09:32] ski/rizon ah, right .. i sometimes do that with reading, as well

[20:10:09] ski/rizon deadly : btdt .. even more than 24 hours, a few times

[20:10:27] ski/rizon ah, i don't really nap much (unless i'm really tired, i guess)

[20:10:35] ski/rizon "been there, done that"

[20:11:48] ski/rizon i remember when i was a kid (well, young teenager, i guess), i started reading a book i'd borrowed, and couldn't put it down. finished maybe 4 o'clock in the morning

[20:13:11] ski/rizon when i notice i've been reading a page repeatedly, not getting what it says, or realizing i've not been present, attentive, for the last sentences, a couple of times, i tend to capitulate to sleep

[20:13:50] ski/rizon i read Robert Jordan's "The Wheel of Time" .. over some ten years or so

[20:14:09] ski/rizon haven't read ASoIaF

[20:14:42] ski/rizon well, "A Song of Ice and Fire"

[20:14:55] ski/rizon (i did watch a few episodes on TV, but didn't really get that much into it)

[20:15:27] ski/rizon there's currently a show adaptation for Jordan's "The Wheel of Time" .. first season is out

[20:15:50] ski/rizon i'm following a couple who were watching it, and now has a book reader club

[20:16:10] ski/rizon yes, i'd recommend the books, i think

[20:16:34] ski/rizon (it's one of my favorite fantasy book series, that i've read)

[20:16:52] ski/rizon (that said .. there are some things which can be annoying at times .. but, overall, i think it's worth it)

[20:17:40] ski/rizon (the other two are Katharine Kerr's Deverry series, and Elizabeth Moon's Paksenarrion trilogy (she also did two prequels, and a paladin sequel (five books)))

[20:18:55] ski/rizon h4 : Jordan *does* have a quite large person gallery. maybe six to ten main characters (depending on how you count), maybe around fifty who're quite important, and lots of characters who are introduced, and occasionally occur

[20:19:29] ski/rizon he often also takes a long time to describe a person's internal thoughts, so a reply to something someone else said can come half a page, or a full page, later

[20:19:51] ski/rizon he's usually quite good at subtly introducing things, foreshadowing

[20:20:13] ski/rizon (so that if you reread, you'll think "wow, this was already hinted several books before")

[20:20:38] ski/rizon yea .. the book series is fourteen books long

[20:20:45] ski/rizon "The Eye of the World" is the first one

[20:21:13] ski/rizon first three books are kinda a homage to Tolkien, in a way. after that, he starts going his own way, more

[20:21:46] ski/rizon well, they're nice

[20:21:52] ski/rizon and started the whole modern fantasy thing

[20:23:30] ski/rizon first book in Kerr's Deverry series is "Daggerspell". one could say that her main character is possibly a country (Deverry). she's often giving a bit of the "current story", then jumping back a few hundred years, to show things that happened in the past, showing how decisions and happenstances affect what happens long after

[20:24:31] ski/rizon first book in Moon's Paksenarrion series is "Sheepfarmer's daughter". Paksenarrion is a young, headstrong, farmgirl, who escapes from home, to join a military company (and eventually get to see more of the world), rather than marry a pigfarmer her father wants her to

[20:24:49] ski/rizon Asimov's Foundation ?

[20:25:07] ski/rizon i should probably read that, some time. i did read a few of his other novels

[20:26:09] ski/rizon hm .. it was a long time ago i read them, but from what i recall .. somewhat "dry", maybe ?

[20:26:39] ski/rizon often going into descriptive parts, or conversations exploring relevant concepts, in the story

[20:26:54] ski/rizon not *too* much action, most of the time, that i can recall

[20:28:51] ski/rizon oh, yea .. i did read the Dune books (the original six. didn't read the ones produced by his son)

[20:29:18] ski/rizon i was also recently reading two essays on Dune

[20:32:04] ski/rizon h4 : fwiw, you might perhaps enjoy "DUNE, Part One: The Planetologist" by Matthew Colville (a table-top RPG dungeon master) in 2020-01-15 at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvErbQv_340&list=PLlUk42GiU2gv8dLv2LmiXa-ReJto7Rn7I>

[20:33:31] ski/rizon the two essays i mentioned were <https://baheyeldin.com/literature/arabic-and-islamic-themes-in-frank-herberts-dune.html> and <https://www.tor.com/2021/10/18/the-muslimness-of-dune-a-close-reading-of-appendix-ii-the-religion-of-dune/>

[21:03:22] ski/rizon show series, wof ?

[21:38:09] ski/rizon ah, okay

[21:38:30] ski/rizon ("series" made me think it was either books or like TV)

[21:45:50] ski/rizon heya Saphir :)

[21:52:36] ski/rizon ah, okay

[21:53:16] ski/rizon (haven't heard of Bebop style anime, before. i've heard Bebop was an old music (i think ?) style, at beginning of 1900s)

[21:58:13] ski/rizon heh, i have watched some .. but not that much

[21:58:55] ski/rizon (ty)

[22:08:35] ski/rizon ooh, good idea

[23:39:19] ski/rizon hm ?

[23:47:43] ski/rizon political talk, in some other channel ?

[23:54:59] ski/rizon they may be adding some of nested functions (akin to GCC C's nested functions, and CLang's block, although probably more restricted), function abstraction expressions ("lambdas"/"anonymous functions"), and a new type of wide function pointers. .. as well as type inference ("deduction"), using `auto'

[23:55:05] ski/rizon (all separate proposals)

[23:57:48] ski/rizon no, C

[23:59:00] ski/rizon to be able to write a macro that expands to a lambda, that doesn't specify which exact integer type to use for parameters, but being used to initialize a function pointer which does specify which particular types you want

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