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[00:05:21] ski/rizon oh, and hi Hotties

[01:57:50] ski/rizon hm, i think i've seen it (or something similar), months ago or something

[03:40:19] ski/rizon nini

[03:40:48] ski/rizon CT's still up

[03:41:10] ski/rizon tea

[03:41:44] ski/rizon um, some blackcurrant flavored black tea

[03:42:13] ski/rizon (maybe i'll sleep after it)

[03:43:13] ski/rizon mm, me either

[03:43:21] ski/rizon peppermint's nice :b

[03:48:29] ski/rizon .. which is ?

[03:49:03] ski/rizon (me, or Crocker ?)

[03:49:46] ski/rizon saw it mentioned a few days ago, was thinking about it

[03:51:37] ski/rizon seeing them reminded me of : "Tact Filters" by Jeff Bigler in 1996,2006 at <https://www.mit.edu/~jcb/tact.html> ; "Fanspeak" by Cally Soukup in 1999 at <http://www.fantasymaps.com/stuff/fanspeak.html>

[03:51:47] ski/rizon nice, Syndus

[03:53:19] ski/rizon (oh, also of : <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postel's_principle> (including criticism) ; <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy's_law> ; "The Power of Negative Thinking" (in Communications of the Association for Computing Machinery) by Talin (aka David Joiner) in 1997-07,1999-08 at <https://viridia.org/talin/negativethinking.html> .. a bit more distantly)

[03:54:11] ski/rizon (pins ?)

[03:54:36] ski/rizon in hand and arm ?

[03:55:50] ski/rizon thirty eight was screws ?

[03:56:59] ski/rizon oh .. yea, that makes more sense

[03:58:19] ski/rizon people also tend to say i look younger, i guess

[03:58:35] ski/rizon (my mother says people regularly think she's ten years younger)

[03:59:13] ski/rizon NiniGeo2 : it seems to me it could be applicable (with some caution), to people's communication, as well

[04:00:52] ski/rizon do those pins hurt much ?

[04:01:14] ski/rizon NiniGeo2 : yea. but now also consider the criticism to the rule/principle

[04:04:10] ski/rizon (it seems to me the criticism can be understood partly in terms of saying not everything is best modelled with subtyping (being contravariant in inputs and covariant in outputs), but sometimes you want (possibly bounded) (parametric) polymorphism .. e.g. you get passed a packet, including some information you understand, but also possibly some extra things you don't know how to deal with. s

[04:04:16] ski/rizon pass on the packet record (possibly modifying fields you know), you don't necessarily erase the other fields, but may pass them on, for future compatibility)

[04:04:57] ski/rizon er .. i wasn't quoting anything, right now

[04:06:17] ski/rizon Syndus : but i was referring to Postel's principle / Robustness principle, (as well as to "Fact Filters", and "Crocker's Rules", before)

[04:07:02] ski/rizon anyway .. maybe seven years back or so, i got a fractured elbow .. but there was no operation or so, i just got a mitella, and a thick rubber band to do physiotherapeut exercises with

[04:08:30] ski/rizon Syndus : hm, that last one looks kinda like Obama, especially if you cover the top part of the head

[04:10:39] ski/rizon NiniGeo2 : yea, the problem there is that flaws can be tolerated and undetected for a while, causing larger problems down the path. compare with a compiler that tries to guess what you meant, and actually applies those guesses to your source, compiling to object code ..

[04:11:49] ski/rizon sometimes, you do want to be yelled loudly at, early, if something's off, even if there's a high chance that one can guess what was probably intended. bad to let such things accumulate, and also to not be alerted of it, get into bad habits

[04:13:37] ski/rizon mm

[04:13:57] ski/rizon it's interesting to ponder, thinking about pros and cons of different approaches

[04:14:56] ski/rizon (and i appear to see analogies to type systems, specifically subtyping vs. parametric polymorphism (aka generics))

[04:17:18] ski/rizon what kinda game is that ?

[04:19:44] ski/rizon (i think there's a Let's Player called "icanhascupquakes" or somesuch ..)

[04:20:26] ski/rizon that sounds amusing, NiniGeo2 :b

[04:21:54] ski/rizon is it a song of some kind ?

[04:24:58] ski/rizon hm, i've heard of "infected mushroom" (perhaps unexpectedly)

[04:25:10] ski/rizon gn, NiniGeo2, pleasant dreams

[04:27:38] ski/rizon oh, it is a song

[04:38:49] ski/rizon (reminds me slightly of "Night Witches" by Sabaton at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YPo8zDkvy4>)

[04:40:04] ski/rizon "green card" ?

[04:43:21] ski/rizon privateers back in the day had gunships

[04:44:48] ski/rizon i've played Civilization and Colonization

[04:45:01] ski/rizon i'm not particularly good at strategy games, though

[04:46:43] ski/rizon (also played some Dune 2,Dune 2000,Heroes of Might & Magic (I,II,III). hm, Populous,Populous 3)

[04:47:24] ski/rizon ah, yes, i played SimCity (the original), too :)

[04:47:34] ski/rizon (not on PC, though)

[04:48:44] ski/rizon yea, the Myst games are great :) .. also later played some of the King's Quest games

[04:49:11] ski/rizon didn't Atari have superious sound chip ?

[04:49:31] ski/rizon i remember there being a feud between Amigans, and Atarists

[04:50:58] ski/rizon hm

[04:51:44] ski/rizon didn't really have monochrome screens

[04:52:26] ski/rizon (well, my programmable pocket calculator had an LCD which was obviously just two colors .. got it at six and a half years age)

[04:52:49] ski/rizon that's nice, MatCat :)

[04:53:21] ski/rizon (found some for cheap, at flea markets)

[04:53:47] ski/rizon sounds curious, Syndus

[04:53:56] ski/rizon (never played any of those two, though)

[04:54:12] ski/rizon older brothers were into the demo scene

[04:54:41] ski/rizon i believe C64 was not as common in the U.S.

[04:55:38] ski/rizon yea, but wasn't there also other comparable microcomputers, that people were also using much, around the same time ?

[04:56:49] ski/rizon login : have not tried it. judging from what people say about it, in programming and math channels, you definitely can't trust it (and it sounds very sure of itself)

[04:57:34] ski/rizon Syndus : GEOS ?

[04:59:02] ski/rizon GEOS (if it's the same thing you're talking about, not sure), was available for the C64 .. with a windowing system, mouse support, spreadsheet, word processor, ..

[05:00:34] ski/rizon there are some initiatives (like Scratch, and BYOB / Snap!), for encouraging the young generation to experiment and be creative, try hands-on, with programming

[05:01:23] ski/rizon it's so easy, now adays, for people to just consume stuff, and not be creative themselves, learn some skills while having fun

[05:03:32] ski/rizon no worry

[05:05:44] ski/rizon are you saying you used (or wanted to use) it for making graphs and charts of various forms, related to home and garden planning, &c. ?

[05:05:59] ski/rizon (sorry, trying to parse what you said)

[05:06:38] ski/rizon yea

[05:07:21] ski/rizon i never had a SNES .. later i played some on emulation

[05:08:03] ski/rizon ah, categorized the magazines themselves

[05:09:37] ski/rizon (one might perhaps call it an "action visual novel / RPG" .. or something)

[05:10:45] ski/rizon hm, hadn't heard of that, no

[05:12:27] ski/rizon hm ?

[05:13:46] ski/rizon hm, i liked playing "Elvira - Mistress of the Dark", by Horrorsoft (later Adventuresoft, known for "Simon the Sorceror") .. includes maybe ten different (gory) death scenes of yourself

[05:14:48] ski/rizon Cassandra something, iirc

[05:18:34] ski/rizon "Pinball Dreams","Pinball Fantasies",(and "Pinball Illusions", which i didn't play) by Digital Illusions (later DICE, who made hm, Battlefield series) were awesome

[05:20:02] ski/rizon hm, i remember watching Xena. possibly some Hercules as well, can't rightly recall

[05:21:07] ski/rizon lohi Hotties

[05:21:48] ski/rizon ah

[05:23:51] ski/rizon login : it's probably the speech-to-text that does that

[05:25:24] ski/rizon it's fine, Syndus. long practice in reading typo. this isn't too bad

[05:26:08] ski/rizon well .. some people just consistently made very many typos, and some grammar and formulation mistakes as well

[05:26:22] ski/rizon (perhaps dyslexia or something. i dunno)

[05:27:56] ski/rizon maybe "CompuTech", for short ?

[05:29:41] ski/rizon login : "purpose because"

[05:31:57] ski/rizon perhaps "You heard what i meant"

[05:32:30] ski/rizon perhaps Syndus's internal word sequences got the order wrong

[05:32:43] ski/rizon i do note that mine sometimes seem to get confused

[05:35:07] ski/rizon call their head

[05:39:56] ski/rizon snakes has a vomeronasal / Jacobson's organ. horses and cats to, too. it's used to pick up on larger pheremones. snakes taste the ground with their tip of tongue, then place the tip in the ceiling of their mouth, where there's an opening to the organ. humans also have such a hole in their mouth ceiling. it's unknown whether the organ has atrophied in humans, though. if not, we're not consci

[05:40:02] ski/rizon of sensations coming that way

[05:40:16] ski/rizon cats pull up their upper lip, when they use it

[05:40:27] ski/rizon ("Flehmen response")

[05:42:13] ski/rizon that's interesting

[05:43:20] ski/rizon some people might be cabbage-brained

[05:44:50] ski/rizon crab soup ?

[05:45:37] ski/rizon presumably, since they're reproducing

[05:47:00] ski/rizon well, i suppose human evolution might be going faster, nowadays

[05:48:00] ski/rizon well, "good times make weak men, weak men make .."

[05:48:59] ski/rizon definitely glucose

[05:49:32] ski/rizon who did, login ?

[05:49:48] ski/rizon oh, right

[05:49:56] ski/rizon i guess that may've been manual, with fingers

[05:55:36] ski/rizon (flower ?)

[05:55:50] ski/rizon makes sense to time stuff

[05:55:55] ski/rizon ah, i see

[05:58:19] ski/rizon (i haven't even been drunk)

[05:58:40] ski/rizon i've been high .. on math, though

[05:58:50] ski/rizon (not meth. mathematics)

[05:59:49] ski/rizon it is, too

[06:01:24] ski/rizon but when you've been banging your head against the wall for a while, regarding some problem domain you're interested in, and you suddenly get an insight, after walking through slightly different examples for the `n'th time, you get a high, an elation, that makes all the pain worth it, especially if it's something you think noone else have ever thought of

[06:02:16] ski/rizon yea, it's not same as e.g. hallucinogens

[06:09:38] ski/rizon ah .. remember Geocities

[06:10:33] ski/rizon i sometimes look up old Geocities pages, on Web Archive

[06:11:09] ski/rizon looks like e-mail

[06:12:12] ski/rizon i remember first time i was on the internet (on a exhibition/convention thing, i think). i looked up Quenya, and C64 stuff

[06:12:38] ski/rizon Tolkien elvish letters

[06:12:55] ski/rizon learned how to write my name in them

[06:15:44] ski/rizon on WikiPedia ?

[15:06:09] ski/rizon bonjour, sushi-chan. g'tag, h4

[15:06:19] ski/rizon Fensta : several smaller wheels ?

[15:07:30] ski/rizon sushi-chan : there's a programming language (kinda) called "Coq" .. there are some jokes regarding the name

[15:07:57] ski/rizon (Coq is named after Thierry (& Catarina) Coquand)

[15:08:41] ski/rizon Fensta : hm, that might work, too

[15:09:29] ski/rizon (chocolate contains theobromine, which is also a drug)

[15:10:08] ski/rizon istr hearing you'd have to eat seventeen kilogrammes or somesuch, to risk physical addiction or so

[15:12:02] ski/rizon there's also a sister language to Coq, called Agda. it's named after a slightly lewd song by a trobadour, about hens and a rooster

[15:12:29] ski/rizon sushi-chan : tradition

[15:12:57] ski/rizon you think chocolate should be banned ?

[15:13:16] ski/rizon Fensta : who ?

[15:13:44] ski/rizon morn, Compy

[15:14:43] ski/rizon h4 : his spirit lives on ?

[15:16:00] ski/rizon sushi-chan : what, you mean you can't make a climbing rope out of your hair ?

[15:17:01] ski/rizon "tjattra"

[15:17:56] ski/rizon sushi-chan : perhaps there are people here who only understand swahili, or tagalog, and they don't speak, since they don't understand us

[15:18:21] ski/rizon because of ComputerTech's charming nature, obviously

[15:19:09] ski/rizon h4 : you'd have to ask him

[15:19:40] ski/rizon what if one wraps one brain in tinfoil ?

[15:19:48] ski/rizon (preferably inside the skullbone)

[15:21:58] ski/rizon sushi-chan : wifi is like people talking in the same room. if there's multiple people talking, they can talk over each other. so one or both will try to back off, not stepping on each other's speech, resulting in slower transmission of information

[15:23:03] ski/rizon h4 : yea, if it's only a few, or not much communication, it wouldn't be noticable

[15:24:02] ski/rizon sushi-chan : what about when you sleep ? does it take the opportunity to get farther away again ?

[15:24:58] ski/rizon sushi-chan : makes perfect sense

[15:26:11] ski/rizon sushi-chan : that's some deep symbolism

[15:26:40] ski/rizon clearly your newborn baby symbolizes your desire for caffeine

[15:27:09] ski/rizon sushi-chan : don't you feel like born anew, after you'd had morning coffee ?

[15:29:08] ski/rizon dunno about the pengines, though

[15:30:19] ski/rizon \g : i think that can often be the case. although that can in some sense be "random", too

[15:31:11] ski/rizon sushi-chan : do the penguins mill around, more or less aimlessly, in various different directions ?

[15:32:28] ski/rizon sushi-chan : maybe you're both saying and dreaming about silly stuff, because that's what you're thinking about. or maybe common cause lies in subconscious (perhaps affected by external factors)

[15:32:45] ski/rizon sushi-chan : oh, and btw, i wasn't really serious about my dream interpretation

[15:33:41] ski/rizon (although i do think dreams can, sometimes, contain symbols. patterns kinda fit together by subconsious, that doesn't necessarily make complete sense, because your brain subconscious isn't done processing the patterns)

[15:33:57] ski/rizon oy, ComputerTech

[15:34:46] ski/rizon sushi-chan : what's your spider dreams about

[15:35:22] ski/rizon i remember having a few dreams with spiders in them. usually when exploring some kind of cave or tunnels, with some spiders hanging from ceiling, causing me to carefully go around or under them

[15:35:51] ski/rizon although i don't remember having any spider dreams in a long time

[15:36:27] ski/rizon sushi-chan : "queue" .. like standing and waiting for the bus ?

[15:37:28] ski/rizon sushi-chan : called "False awakenings"

[15:37:38] ski/rizon it's not too uncommon

[15:37:38] ski/rizon yess

[15:38:08] ski/rizon have you ever went to sleep, in a dream ?

[15:38:29] ski/rizon h4 : sounds like sleep paralysis

[15:38:34] ski/rizon (i've experienced that)

[15:38:47] ski/rizon it's not quite a dream, proper

[15:39:02] ski/rizon it's your brain having woken up, but your body is still asleep, paralyzed

[15:39:24] ski/rizon people commonly think they're dying, when having sleep paralysis

[15:39:27] ski/rizon it can be very scary

[15:39:53] ski/rizon and if you're not calm, you can easily start to experience what appears to be creepy or evil surroundings

[15:40:16] ski/rizon it's quite possible that the original notion (and word) "nightmare" comes from sleep paralysis. it occurs in all cultures

[15:40:56] ski/rizon h4 : i didn't either

[15:41:37] ski/rizon sushi-chan : sleepwalkers can have open eyes. i've seen my brother do this

[15:41:52] ski/rizon yes

[15:42:02] ski/rizon well, they're confusing what they see, with dream imagery

[15:43:08] ski/rizon once, after i've been up for more than 48 hours, i was walking home (night). but i kept falling asleep, but somehow kept walking. then woke up, confused, trying to figure out where i was, where i was supposed to be going. then started to fall asleep again, confusing things in front of me with dream imagery. repeat

[15:44:50] ski/rizon h4 : my brother sat up in bed, eyes open, and said "I can't see". my other brother held up his hand, with some number of fingers (say three) in front of him, and asked "How many fingers am i showing you?". he answered "Three". so we told him he could see. he laid down again, continuing sleeping, after that. didn't remember a thing, next day

[15:46:20] ski/rizon sushi-chan : i'd think they wouldn't try to kill someone, unless it appeared in their dream to be someone/something threatening, that they had to defend themselves from

[15:46:35] ski/rizon but i could easily see accidents happening, with sleepdriving

[15:47:02] ski/rizon i've dreamt several times i've been chatting on IRC

[15:47:15] ski/rizon but often it'd been more like i've been "in the channel", somehow

[15:48:28] ski/rizon h4 : fireworks in her pants ?

[15:50:03] ski/rizon sushi-chan : that sounds funny :) .. hm, i can't remember such a dream. i've some number of times dreamt about cats being present in the dream. not so seldom, i've been carrying cat outside, trying to get somewhere, while trying to calm cat down, and also trying to keep ahold of it so it doesn't run away and possibly get hurt

[15:51:30] ski/rizon .. outch .. my legs. i can't really go down on the floor, with legs pointing opposite ways, to the sides

[15:52:03] ski/rizon sushi-chan : call it the planet Anti-Tellus

[15:52:17] ski/rizon it's on the oposite side of the sun, so it can never be seen

[15:54:26] ski/rizon h4 : yea, the Lagrange points are cool. iirc SOHO (solar observator) is in one of them, always inbetween Earth and Sol

[15:55:39] ski/rizon sushi-chan : hm .. there's some custom Minecraft level, where there's no ground, just sky. in the sky, there's floating a bunch of different (square, obviously) planets. you can try to build bridges from the one you start on, to reach the others (having different resources)

[15:56:30] ski/rizon sushi-chan : watching new people getting charmed, and terrified, by Minecraft, can be fun, yea

[15:57:43] ski/rizon from the milkman ?

[15:58:13] ski/rizon okay

[15:58:18] ski/rizon take care, sushi-chan

[15:58:43] ski/rizon (take a bath ?)

[15:59:02] ski/rizon wouldn't it be scenic ?

[15:59:21] ski/rizon it fell on them ?

[15:59:33] ski/rizon oh

[15:59:37] ski/rizon yea, i see

[16:00:09] ski/rizon apparently there's some dude who's survived multiple times getting struck by lightning

[16:00:38] ski/rizon car acts like faraday cage, which should help shelter

[16:02:01] ski/rizon my brother once tented in a forested area (on an island). during the night, there was a large thunderstorm. it was so close he couldn't measure distance, and so many strikes they went into each other

[16:02:24] ski/rizon in the morning, he noticed some trees near him had been struck, some partially falling down (against other trees)

[16:02:53] ski/rizon \g : snuggling around your ankles, so you almost stumble ?

[20:06:20] ski/rizon which ones do you consider best, ooc ?

[20:06:42] ski/rizon fair point

[20:07:28] ski/rizon vamp : sleepless dreams .. like microdreaming, when up and about ?

[20:10:49] ski/rizon yea, i saw that quit

[20:11:04] ski/rizon hm, right. yours broke

[20:11:18] ski/rizon hm, dunno that term

[20:11:28] ski/rizon (although i think i saw it yesterday, somewhere)

[20:12:02] ski/rizon ah

[20:14:53] ski/rizon finnish surname ?

[20:16:00] ski/rizon from what i understand, finnish pronounciation is rather close to how it's spelled

[20:36:30] ski/rizon snakes on the attic ?

[20:38:31] ski/rizon looks like it's in some outdoor bush

[21:04:55] ski/rizon related to syndicalists, Mikoolo ?

[22:11:53] ski/rizon s/huh/huh/

[22:13:04] ski/rizon hm

[22:13:13] ski/rizon ComputerTech : s/huh/huh/

[22:13:16] ski/rizon ok, good

[22:14:01] ski/rizon i'm forward

[22:14:10] ski/rizon i don't believe so

[22:15:10] ski/rizon MatCat hasn't been active here, yet, last hours

[22:16:30] ski/rizon np

[22:17:55] ski/rizon there might be a video "can you train a snake to bite?", too

[22:18:17] ski/rizon cold rain ?

[22:18:51] ski/rizon somewhere out there, in the universe, there's probably a german planet

[22:19:08] ski/rizon did you catch it, and let it out ?

[22:19:50] ski/rizon i take the rain is not cold, then

[22:20:39] ski/rizon once, i woke up by a wasp flying in through the slightly ajar window above where i slept. i caught it in a bottle, and ran out to release it

[22:25:55] ski/rizon why, foxy ?

[22:27:51] ski/rizon ComputerTech's an official, you know. he'd know

[22:28:30] ski/rizon irish666 : mojibake

[22:30:11] ski/rizon now i wonder who started on TechNet

[22:30:28] ski/rizon that's nice, CT

[22:30:35] ski/rizon gotta involve the younglings

[22:32:23] ski/rizon not sure when i first registered

[22:34:18] ski/rizon foxy was in need of you, MatCat

[22:35:40] ski/rizon you should shake your fist now, ComputerTech

[22:37:10] ski/rizon aren't birds kinda dinosaurs ?

[22:40:36] ski/rizon Ahsoka : try something like "You fight like a dairy farmer."

[22:51:27] ski/rizon Ahsoka : another option would be spraypainting the mirror from inside ?

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