IRC Driven

[08:31:28] login !bang

[08:31:58] login FireWire: you did well though

[08:33:04] login there is a number of bullets wasted after which the duck is not worth it

[08:34:41] login FireWire: ^ you can take this one

[08:38:58] login yup, you got it on the second try

[08:39:05] login hi deadly, how's the weekend been?

[08:39:26] login sorry to hear, but it too shall pass

[09:14:21] login how much fun is vegas really?

[09:14:41] login none fun?

[09:14:53] login no fun at all?

[12:23:10] login regarding bike audits, is total grade separation the holy grail?

[12:27:56] login https://www.youtube.com/@NatsWhatIReckon/videos

[12:28:28] login better than masterchef australia

[12:44:01] login FireWire: not me?

[12:44:11] login i wish DuckHunt kept a tally of escaped ducks too

[12:44:24] login and had that show up in the topducks

[13:00:45] login here's a full squid game reaction video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smxj-k66BSw

[13:02:03] login FireWire: what did you mean by 'so not login'?

[13:02:26] login that grade separation was not the holy grail?

[13:03:49] login do you like masterchef australia?

[13:04:50] login i thought a series of video recipes of the basics, delivered in an entertaining style by an australian, was a different kind of good

[13:10:08] login is it the drama or the recipes or the fusion of the two or something else?

[13:11:05] login so first on michelin's list?

[15:14:23] login i used it for my resume

[15:14:36] login yeah, coming from ms word, it is not comparable

[15:14:51] login i don't know how it looks on google docs/office

[15:15:40] login that's cool Frogorg, that you made it in professional typesetting software

[15:16:31] login but humans don't read resumes one by one

[15:16:48] login software is used to extract stuff into a table for reviewers

[15:17:17] login was going to say, exception: smaller workplaces

[15:17:25] login yeah, LaTeX would look good too

[15:18:04] login I took some time to recreate a PDF resume of a family member in Libreoffice

[15:18:13] login because she couldn't find the word version

[15:18:17] login saved to docx in libreoffice

[15:19:02] login Samantha: yeah, so the most accessible yet stylish resume (but also easily scannable) wins

[15:21:16] login superkuh: yeah, they won't bend to the document foundation

[15:21:51] login Collabora online is a web version of libreoffice

[15:22:16] login i have had some kerning problems with libreoffice

[15:23:35] login my raunchy description of native vs. web app is 'raw sex' vs. 'with condom'

[15:24:28] login at least theoretically, one could debug that usecase and submit a change to libreoffice Samantha/rizon

[15:24:55] login if that were happening on ms office, one would have to beg msft to fix it for them

[15:25:27] login there are some parallels between ms office dominance and US dollar dominance

[15:25:56] login Samantha: try sending them a Numbers document

[15:26:40] login i used to use a cracked version of ms office

[15:27:04] login but then someone activated the botnet code inside it or something

[15:27:15] login and it started crashing windows (which i used to boot earlier)

[15:27:43] login since then, i decided to use libreoffice - don't want to pay msft money to have the option of opening and creating documents as a consumer

[15:28:47] login Samantha: sounds quite governmental

[15:28:57] login that's what i was using

[15:28:59] login KMSPico

[15:29:18] login to activate both windows and ms office

[15:29:33] login i did not know that

[15:29:43] login how does one make sure it runs on boot?

[15:30:37] login Samantha: if your confidential work is government-related, you might appreciate how the Chinese government solves this problem

[15:30:53] login wouldn't i have to re-arm every 180 days?

[15:31:09] login the Chinese gov's solution to MS Office problem is WPS Office

[15:35:18] login fuck your ex for doing that (or don't fuck)

[15:35:33] login i will be honest Samantha, you give me nsa vibes

[15:36:20] login you'd be a good cia agent with that response though

[15:36:36] login at your service, mozambique

[15:36:58] login an irc bot?

[15:37:53] login compiled or source code?

[15:38:47] login sug0i!

[15:40:17] login microsoft office 2000 was so fast

[15:40:52] login sad they didn't give more importance to input latency

[15:41:02] login in their newer versions

[15:41:24] login Linux software went into the multiverse

[15:41:58] login my favourite windows was xp, probably dates me age-wise

[15:42:26] login h4: i had some loose motion recently, not sure why

[15:45:07] login in the olden days, it was called pebkac mozambique

[15:45:53] login graduate beyond being a script kiddie, mozambique: it means your compiler can't find irc.h

[15:47:42] login Samantha: maybe they have to review security clearances, and that takes time

[15:48:38] login especially if they have to dig deep into one's life: gambling debts, past scandals, close relations - whom one owes their allegiance to

[15:49:08] login Samantha: classic response ;)

[15:49:18] login classic response re: works here

[15:49:30] login do you have irc.c too?

[15:50:52] login well, you do bring in half a million USD a week

[15:52:17] login theoretically, how would it be if you were one of 10 decuplets and all 9 of your siblings worked with you at this company?

[15:52:28] login s/theoretically/hypothetically

[15:53:42] login so it would scale linearly?

[15:54:27] login not constrained by the customers' capacity to pay?

[15:55:48] login this product must be so desirable

[15:56:00] login mozambique: you went to github and downloaded the repo right?

[15:56:06] login or just the file?

[15:56:49] login i have not seen the repo or the files therein, just debugging based on given info

[15:58:47] login lol

[15:59:18] login superkuh: i searched too, and found just this - https://github.com/yelinux

[15:59:24] login not a result, just a user

[15:59:40] login superkuh: my interpretation is yes linux

[15:59:58] login as in, "yes, it's linux"

[16:00:35] login persevere, mozambique

[16:01:06] login superkuh: that is a superuseful tip!

[16:03:56] login i am so suspicious, i used a pubnix to download that image Samantha

[16:04:16] login lest my IP address go to your server

[16:05:27] login yeah, i should, but i don't even want to pay for ms office

[16:05:40] login true, h4

[16:05:57] login and, i could route through the pubnix (which has ~1000 users)

[16:06:05] login but they send X-IP-Address in all the headers

[16:06:22] login tor would work, but anybody on your local network will know

[16:06:52] login let's say you're in a university network

[16:07:11] login yes

[16:07:48] login but finding someone else's mac address to use to do that

[16:08:05] login one has to log in with their university credentials to use eduroam

[16:09:34] login iPhone does it by default

[16:09:55] login h4: no auth needed if connecting via ethernet port

[16:10:49] login auth only for wifi

[16:11:05] login mozambique: out of time?

[16:11:49] login Why use Tor over I2P?

[16:13:13] login it's amazing that grocery shopping has been commercialised in that way

[16:14:01] login in what way can instacart break your trust?

[16:14:28] login yeah, they won't be choosing the best vegetables like one would in person

[16:14:42] login grocery shopping at noon = luxurious

[16:17:13] login Ahsoka: no makeup then?

[16:18:17] login and people find you more attractive that way too, h

[16:19:24] login how would you work in a dusty environment?

[16:19:32] login or underwater welding?

[16:19:47] login yup

[16:19:52] login at the very least

[16:20:26] login i had hoped masks would become acceptable fashion

[16:20:33] login just as a counter to automatic face detection

[16:22:15] login what about a face shield?

[16:29:16] login Samantha: sounds like a very profitable opportunity, if the targetted method of removing taste and smell can be figured out

[16:30:11] login s/slingshot/shoot

[16:30:27] login the worst part of covid for me was a very runny nose

[16:30:42] login herald: yeah, i just have taken the ESL thing to heart

[16:30:59] login and a long-lasting sore throat

[16:31:13] login how many modern houses have hatches?

[16:31:29] login i don't think they even make basements anymore

[16:31:53] login i have misunderstood what hatches mean

[16:32:13] login pfizer?

[16:32:27] login that pfizer/astrazeneca thing was a total psyop, wasn't it?

[16:33:12] login that was really bad herald

[16:33:37] login that vaccine did not seem to confer herd immunity either

[16:33:48] login although there is no counterfactual to check that

[16:34:20] login yeah, but birth control pills have a higher rate of clot side effects than astrazeneca

[16:35:22] login and when they started saying getting the actual virus did not confer immunity - that was not true

[16:35:46] login i can imagine a future where a brain chip might become such a requirement

[16:36:09] login or a bracelet

[16:36:50] login i'm sure the LEAs would be analysing the constellation of those

[16:37:14] login it was comedic

[16:37:30] login i thought it was satirical

[16:37:58] login that doesn't seem to be SOP

[16:38:07] login but then again, being a pharmacist is a cushy job

[16:38:27] login why?

[16:38:34] login liability reasons?

[16:39:58] login it's pattern recognition, Peorth

[16:40:11] login 90% of scripts are ones the pharmacist has seen many times before

[16:40:25] login ^ that was ass talk though, h4 - it may be less or more than 90%

[16:41:17] login i wonder why they don't just use shorthand

[16:42:28] login i see a parallel with cashless payments

[16:44:25] login should try it, irish666 - i dont' think i've ever had it

[16:45:15] login https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saveloy#/media/File:Saveloy,_chips_and_curry.jpg

[16:45:39] login the way that wooden fork is stuck in there - it means a the food is being served to a dead person in Chinese culture

[16:45:45] login s/ a//

[16:46:50] login i wonder why there's no very large british fast food brand around saveloy

[16:47:16] login even the philippines has Mr Potato

[16:49:26] login they need to go international

[16:50:01] login they've turned the potato into the staple

[16:50:59] login it is britain's ramen

[17:08:56] login are you able to have a serious discussion on world topics with them?

[17:09:12] login full history lesson on how things were and how they developed over their growing up?

[17:09:34] login if you (pretend to or for real) make notes on what they're saying - they might feel extra appreciative

[17:10:21] login and then send them your word file (or text file) with their words cleaned up - as a memento for them

[17:11:17] login yeah, i'm surprised i came up with such a good idea on the fly

[17:11:24] login doesn't happen ofte

[17:11:40] login imagine if everybody had access to a biographer

[17:12:48] login could be made a real product in the world, especially for therapeutic or CV reasons

[17:15:02] login a group discussion and group document preparation might just be the kind of quirky date that the second aunt might develop a (refined) taste for

[17:17:01] login irish666: lol, one could get a feeling from that even sober

[17:17:48] login the sudden stop of the head might just compel one to want to feel that again

[17:17:59] login like a poor person's roller coaster

[17:18:31] login hmm, are drugs sold/taken often before going to an amusement park?

[17:18:58] login i've never heard of such a thing before, but when i type it out, it sounds like it should be a big thing

[17:36:57] login Mikoolo: how do you know so much history?

[17:37:03] login especially European history

[17:42:59] login You might make a good foreign policy consultant

[17:43:55] login i did not know that

[17:44:55] login yeah, history is just what everyone remembers

[17:45:10] login pretty powerful concept ^ for both peace and war

[17:45:54] login hopefully backed by some artifacts

[18:06:25] login yes, duck freedom can exist here

[18:06:29] login even two ducks!

[18:06:38] login two-duck freedom

[18:10:05] login What is the difference?

[18:10:18] login functionally

[18:52:24] login when do they pain?

[18:52:53] login i ask because a close family member might be suffering due to pain from them

[18:54:46] login how do kidney stones depart? through the penis right?

[18:55:05] login but this is about a female family member, so through the urethra

[18:55:23] login my timing was good, wasn't it Frogorg?

[18:55:56] login it's just like software trading

[18:56:08] login hello wemadeit

[18:56:12] login nice vhost

[18:56:37] login I genuinely believe, outside of the naming and brand, litecoin is better technologically than bitcoin

[18:57:10] login The test is, if the technology of bitcoin and litecoin were switched (or the brand names switched), would the market cap change?

[18:58:04] login true true ^

[18:58:17] login it's kids of rich daddies getting into it

[18:58:33] login i like to think of it as random selection

[18:59:07] login usually, with company stock, there are rules around who acquires them and dumps them

[18:59:45] login and who (a company) gets the ability to send a dividend through it

[19:00:04] login with bitcoin, there is no company: everybody who is earning money can buy it

[19:00:17] login and that itself acts as a 'stock buyback' for the one who bought before

[19:00:48] login so, if company stock can be imagined as a web that looks very structured

[19:01:21] login bitcoin can be imagined as a web with no permission to acquire or dispose

[19:01:59] login only if you price your services/labour in bitcoin

[19:02:09] login and insist on a bitcoin-denominated quote for all your expenses

[19:02:39] login but those are priced in dollars

[19:02:47] login and the bitcoin price is fluctuating

[19:02:59] login they should set the price as a certain amount of bitcoin

[19:03:31] login they're having more trouble acquiring them

[19:03:38] login unless working for them online

[19:04:02] login it might do well as a unit of account

[19:04:07] login but not well as a medium of exchange

[19:04:22] login simply because L1 is too expensive, and lightning requires cheap L1 fees

[19:05:56] login the reason lightning requires cheap l1 fees is to make a unilateral channel close (in case a watchtower catches cheating) transaction easy

[19:06:15] login a large sats/vbyte, i mean

[19:06:31] login it means more small bitcoin outputs become dust

[19:07:07] login as blockspace becomes more valuable, the miniscule holders will not be able to transact their small balances

[19:07:45] login as the block subsidy goes down, the fee will have to replace it

[19:08:08] login if it doesn't, then maybe some other method of payment will be used to make miners include/exclude transactions

[19:08:54] login it's going to transition to it slowly

[19:09:24] login the design - i think - was done that way because satoshi may have wanted to have a sunset on bitcoin's technology

[19:10:07] login i don't mean on bitcoin balances, which - i speculate - may just be used to instantiate the initial balances on a different system

[19:11:04] login my thinking of bitcoin's worth is not from the technology, but from the distribution of balances and the people who hold them

[19:11:58] login i.e., if someone buys 90% of the existing bitcoin in existence (say, US gov), and then sends it to an unspendable address

[19:12:15] login what happens to the other 10% of holders?

[19:12:53] login they could do it because it was threatening the US dollar

[19:13:12] login the company stock equivalent is a stock tender, or taking a public company private

[19:13:48] login i don't mean selling bitcoin, i mean taking it out of circulation

[19:13:55] login and giving existing holders a 'final return'

[19:14:09] login for those who wish to take it*

[19:14:29] login it's a theoretical question - a thought experiment

[19:14:50] login if a secret entity (that later turns out to have been the federal reserve) starts buying bitcoin

[19:16:01] login at higher and higher prices, until 90% of holders (not 90% of balances) sell it (hoping to get back in after the crash)

[19:16:39] login it is a hypothetical question to determine where the value of bitcoin is

[19:17:20] login you can do that with ltc or eth too

[19:17:28] login or xmr

[19:18:06] login that is why one can compare eth to a stock

[19:18:18] login and so too btc - satoshi mined during the early days

[19:19:16] login so if the price starts going up, at some point people will sell right?

[19:19:44] login yes, so excluding those people

[19:20:07] login so the ones who didn't have diamond hands would sell

[19:20:44] login no, it really does depend on what currency you have easy access to

[19:21:13] login but for those cases, a company with a website whom you trust has enough btc to send your balance 'out' works

[19:21:55] login the question, or observation, was that the 10% of holders will be the diamond hands

[19:22:13] login and the 90% will have sold to what would turn out to be the federal reserve, in this hypothetical scenario

[19:22:57] login indirectly, it is the scale

[19:23:28] login it is a good point; saying bitcoin holds value is like saying usa holds value just because they issue usd

[19:24:04] login yeah, due to france's coercive currency rules

[19:24:21] login money is a system of organisation of labour

[19:25:17] login the idea is that after 90% of holders are 'wiped' out of bitcoin, the 10% holders may not hold very valuable bitcoin

[19:26:27] login i.e., once the hypothetical large buyer disappears with the bitcoin, would the other 10% holders be able to get - by virtue of holding something scarce, a lot of goods and services from the rest of the world?

[19:26:39] login the difference with apples is that one can eat them

[19:27:04] login if the world loses its taste for apples, then having only 10 apples wouldn't matter

[19:27:23] login If i make 10 autographs with my signature, those would be very scarce

[19:27:31] login they could probably be authenticated too

[19:27:36] login will these be valuable?

[19:28:01] login yes, if the transactions were censorproof - you'd be right

[19:28:26] login food could help

[19:28:31] login or rather, farms

[19:29:09] login but the sats/vbyte is the censor

[19:29:27] login if it's too high, then small sats holders will get 'censored' due to the large cost of transacting

[19:29:34] login relative to the value being transaction

[19:30:13] login and even lightning doesn't solve that because the large cost of transacting in a high sats/vbyte regime means unilateral channel closing if a watchtower detects fraud becomes very expensive

[19:30:45] login thus, the result is, there may be large custodians who could use lightning to do instant transactions between themselves using large channels

[19:31:03] login and the small sats holders may become the customers of such custodians

[19:31:12] login yes

[19:31:29] login so my prediction is, bitcoin balances will exist - but the technology will change

[19:31:53] login the bitcoin balances will be the instantiation of a future technology that addresses those issues

[19:32:15] login the timing is hard to predict, but the reduction in the block subsidy incentivies finding that solution

[19:32:31] login a bank here uses gcp

[19:32:48] login central bank tech is antiquated though

[19:33:06] login unless it's like fednow, but even that could have problems

[19:34:09] login so if you are planning to use the bitcoin to get real goods and services before 2060, then you're subject to bitcoin's value relative to those goods and services

[19:34:25] login or rather, the supply of those goods/services in relation to the supply of bitcoin

[19:35:01] login my guess is, bitcoin is good for governments that don't trust each other to transact 'digitally' (not moving gold around in planes)

[19:35:39] login yeah, but can it be refined economically?

[19:36:07] login relative to doing something else to earn gold

[19:36:37] login yeah, radio was better for transacting than settling in gold

[19:36:54] login as long as someone checked that the gold was actually there and not just 'claimed' to be there

[19:38:05] login sats/vbyte determine the 'scale' of what becomes a transaction too small for bitcoin

[19:38:26] login you don't want to lose 30% of the amount on fees

[19:38:43] login but bitcoin dust exists, the problem is now for small enough amounts of bitcoin

[19:39:15] login with a large bitcoin marketcap, dust is not solved even with segwit

[19:39:46] login the risk is, the solution will deteriorate censorship resistance

[19:40:34] login and if a government enforces the checking of bitcoin's cleanliness before accepting it - as they may have done to tesla (which is why it may have stopped accepting bitcoin for cars)

[19:40:55] login then that is defacto censorship

[19:41:26] login many exchanges do this

[19:41:41] login but 3rd world countries are most afflicted by that problem

[19:42:08] login they don't let you save in a stable currency

[19:42:13] login outside of their own

[19:42:40] login how easy would it be for someone from, say, nigeria, to save in US dollars?

[19:43:00] login so strike will give them USDT?

[19:43:18] login how will strike accept naira without the nigerian government's approval?

[19:44:14] login but it does show that bitcoin's censorship resistance is not strong enough, due to the ability to discern how clean each bitcoin address is

[19:44:39] login and that exchanges have to take your ID and impose limits on - say - bitcoin gambling winnings

[19:44:55] login or bitcoin that has been through a mixer (apparently they can detect these with some probability)

[19:45:18] login so, if tesla were to accept bitcoin directly via the blockchain for cars

[19:45:29] login there is only one place - the world

[19:45:47] login the economic system is interlinked

[19:46:12] login and so is currency trading - if you are doing it in size

[19:46:33] login if tesla took bitcoin for cars via bitcoin's network

[19:47:00] login they'd be forced to ask the same questions for every transaction that a credit/debit card holder gets asked when opening an account

[19:47:20] login it shows that bitcoin adoption is also government restricted

[19:47:33] login it's the only big company that tried to accept bitcoin for a car

[19:47:40] login via the bitcoin blockchain

[19:47:46] login you can buy hosting and vpns too

[19:48:00] login and probably fruits and vegetables at a stand too

[19:48:21] login i wait for when bitcoin gets its own decentralised army and militia

[19:48:43] login or when mercenaries start accepting bitcoin via the blockchain - online or in-person merceneries

[19:49:49] login the problem is, bitcoin is stuck in this middle place, where the blockchain is open enough to be the equivalent of showing your bank account statement to the world after replacing your name with a uuid

[19:50:49] login but not robust enough to withstand the forced hand of government

[19:51:21] login xmr does it better, and litecoin with MWEB does it better too

[19:51:52] login litecoin does it so well - has a built-in mixer in the form of mimblewimble extension blocks

[19:52:00] login and the fixed supply of bitcoin

[19:52:31] login Mikoolo: an episode?

[19:52:39] login like, a manic episode?

[19:53:07] login yes, bitcoin holds the computational energy locus

[19:53:38] login but if one replaced bitcoin and litecoin's 'labels', would the market cap shift to the new bitcoin?

[19:53:54] login or, put another way, if bitcoin adopted MWEBs

[19:54:04] login and litecoin removed MWEBs

[19:54:11] login would they switch market caps or retain them?

[19:54:32] login they adopted taproot, and that proved to have not been wise

[19:54:49] login but they don't control the supply anymore

[19:55:06] login bitcoin miners control bitcoin

[19:55:28] login my vision was, big companies with large balance sheets would also be bitcoin miners

[19:55:41] login and governments would do it too

[19:56:10] login and every big non-decentralised institution would participate in forming consensus as a bitcoin miner

[19:56:45] login it is very comparable to a religion

[19:57:00] login as an idea, we know religion has staying power even beyond that of a nation-state

[19:57:30] login it is an algorithmic religion, and that is a very powerful idea

[19:57:57] login it = bitcoin or other cryptocurrency

[19:58:47] login also, mimblewimble extension blocks were first proposed by someone pseudonomous

[19:59:09] login and many coins came out of those, all variations based on that whitepaper

[20:00:04] login i mean, out of mimblewimble's whitepaper

[20:00:45] login from a price standpoint, bitcoin's price is due to tether

[20:01:01] login and due to trading venues that created a good market for bitcoin

[20:01:20] login i will be happy for bitcoin's resilience after tether fails

[20:02:16] login i like to think of it in terms of a thought experiment

[20:02:28] login let's say i earned 10,000 USD by doing something

[20:02:46] login then, i took a video of myself burning each dollar note with the serial number

[20:03:06] login and making sure to have each note be verified as an authentic dollar

[20:03:24] login after which, i create a digital database with the number 10000 in it under my account

[20:03:31] login and send 5000 of those to someone else

[20:03:44] login does that other person believe that which they have is worth 5000 USD?

[20:04:13] login after all, i destroyed 10000 USD to 'back' the digital database

[20:04:35] login that's the thought experiment i used to think of tether

[20:04:41] login but the dollars aren't destroyed yet

[20:04:47] login the dollars backing tether, i mean

[20:04:51] login they're just fading

[20:05:08] login harder and harder to redeem

[20:05:26] login I think VZ's Petro cryptocurrency was an innovative idae

[20:05:44] login it's like issuing an oil certificate to lay your claim on VZ's oil reserves

[20:06:11] login if everyone tosses the USD away, it will indeed implode

[20:06:38] login because that means the velocity of USD will become very large, i.e., rampant inflation

[20:07:31] login what about holding it in an interest bearing fashion?

[20:07:45] login i.e., CDs

[20:08:03] login real estate is also government-backed

[20:08:22] login the title is a gov db

[20:08:37] login giving you rights over the land, as enforced by the courts

[20:09:06] login has the market 5xed or the dollar 1/5xed?

[20:09:29] login if it were the latter, everything else would have 5xed too

[20:09:41] login and the ratio of everything else to real estate would remain unchanged

[20:10:01] login my guess for real estate is, velocity of transfers has reduced

[20:10:21] login that automatically raises the price (or prevents it from falling)

[20:11:08] login the ones on good mortgage rates can't sell the house or refinance now

[20:11:37] login i do agree that covid was an implosion on the retired and soon-to-retire

[20:11:46] login from a health-risk perspective

[20:12:00] login but their portfolios were compensated for it, if they timed it well

[20:12:22] login (not taking inflation into account)

[20:13:12] login yeah, and the resulting reduction in the proportion of the workforce that was wise and productive

[20:13:26] login would also have meant lesser output

[20:13:56] login the same output (at the global economic scale) that the new retirees are wishing now to consume

[20:14:47] login elon musk, though grifter, said it simply

[20:15:00] login if you don't have your own kids, that means someone else's kids will have to take care of you when you're older

[20:15:07] login or a robot will

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