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[06:12:54] ski/rizon Forth and Lisp are interesting

[06:15:04] ski/rizon Kumool : "if else is to be avoided?" -- huh ?

[06:15:24] ski/rizon i suppose

[06:16:11] ski/rizon pastebin ?

[06:16:25] ski/rizon (mostly curious about what you meant)

[06:16:36] ski/rizon hm .. curious

[06:16:56] ski/rizon to me, it sounds like an over-simplification

[06:17:22] ski/rizon (trying to reduce things to bare minimals so much that things start becoming less clear and more complicated)

[06:18:51] ski/rizon (but yea, i know branches in machine code normally either continue to the next instruction, or branch away somewhere, rather than branch into two alternative destinations .. althouhg, i think LLVM may do the latter, with basic blocks ?)

[06:19:34] ski/rizon "The Lisp Among Us" ?

[06:20:11] ski/rizon might be curious, seeing such a game

[06:21:03] ski/rizon (still, `if ... then' is not really comparable to branch instructions, i'd say. because the `...' part has an exit, while you don't return from a branch)

[06:22:17] ski/rizon Kumool : well .. i generally agree that it often helps to have smaller units of code. and often fewer parameters can help

[06:22:42] ski/rizon that said, sometimes a piece of code seems to naturally acquire more parameters, or become a larger piece of code

[06:22:51] ski/rizon (handling many different cases, say)

[06:23:29] ski/rizon (also, it may be a chore coming up with sensible names .. and non-sensible names can be worse than not splitting up, imho)

[06:24:13] ski/rizon this is Color Forth ?

[06:25:12] ski/rizon okay. that sounds like useful advice, to me

[06:27:11] ski/rizon btw .. one thing that can often help with mazes of conditionals (depending), is pattern-matching

[06:27:52] ski/rizon iof a notation for pattern-matching in a concatenative language, years ago

[06:28:05] ski/rizon s/iod/i recall thinking about/

[06:29:14] ski/rizon btw, booleans, in one sense, is *about* choosing between two alternate paths of code

[06:30:09] ski/rizon (that's also a common representation used in compilers. to compile a boolean expression, you pass in two labels for the `true' and `false' destinations, and emit code for the boolean expression that will eventually go to one or the other label)

[06:30:49] ski/rizon (storing a boolean as a bit, then, is just a persistent storage mode for this dynamic interpretation)

[06:32:09] ski/rizon (in terms of Church represenation, `Bool', which means `1 + 1', is logically equivalent to `forall o. o * o -> o' .. taking two paths as input, and selecting one of them)

[06:32:27] ski/rizon parasocial ?

[06:34:28] ski/rizon btw, just to show how such a pattern-matching Forth-like might look like, here's `length' for a linked-list

[06:35:03] ski/rizon : nil length := 0

[06:35:05] ski/rizon | cons length := drop length 1+

[06:35:07] ski/rizon ;

[06:35:44] ski/rizon perhaps i should try to make a sample implementation, some time

[06:36:09] ski/rizon mhm ?

[06:40:13] ski/rizon Kumool : yea (read the whole quoted section in the book), i agree

[06:41:16] ski/rizon Kumool : hmm .. i see. i prefer real pattern-matching than the weaker `switch'

[06:41:47] ski/rizon (destructuring, in terms of Lisp. but also choice between alternatives. and the ability to nest patterns)

[06:42:25] ski/rizon i could also imagine it becomes harder to implement efficiently, using finite maps to stand in for `switch'

[06:42:44] ski/rizon will you pick the duck, now ?

[06:44:30] ski/rizon NiniGeo2 : idelly logarithmic in cases, yea

[06:46:40] ski/rizon NiniGeo2 ^

[06:54:07] ski/rizon well, the point is that memory access is not constant

[06:54:33] ski/rizon (btw, when i say "map" i include hash tables as well)

[07:04:04] ski/rizon linked lists are okay, as a control structure

[07:19:07] ski/rizon you like Squeak ?

[07:23:59] ski/rizon mhm, fair enough

[07:50:02] ski/rizon oy

[12:21:03] ski/rizon moinmoin

[12:22:16] ski/rizon mora : you can turn it off, also in Windows, i believe

[12:22:39] ski/rizon mora : accessibility settings, i think

[12:30:25] ski/rizon mora : tunnel ?

[12:30:46] ski/rizon Rudolph : yikes

[12:31:16] ski/rizon i know you've mentioned it, briefly. hadn't seen the pics, though, or heard details much

[12:40:30] ski/rizon was wondering whether it was a metaphorical or physical tunnel

[12:40:42] ski/rizon but no need to talk about it, if you don't feel like

[12:41:40] ski/rizon what happened last month, in that case ?

[12:44:06] ski/rizon no worry, i don't mind

[12:44:24] ski/rizon four at once sounds like an ordeal :(

[12:45:47] ski/rizon some river overflowed ?

[12:46:05] ski/rizon oh, internal plumbing

[12:46:33] ski/rizon hope you got it under control, soon enough

[12:46:42] ski/rizon yeh, can imagine :/

[12:47:23] ski/rizon some of the plumbing was old and broke ?

[12:47:37] ski/rizon (well, not "old and broke" in that sense ..)

[12:49:19] ski/rizon oh .. dear

[12:51:01] ski/rizon .. and your friend ?

[12:51:32] ski/rizon good to hear

[12:51:59] ski/rizon denial about some condition, i surmise

[12:53:08] ski/rizon (old children's book .. well, i heard it on tapes, but whatever)

[12:58:22] ski/rizon try <https://gunshipmusic.bandcamp.com/track/fly-for-your-life>, maybe ?

[16:48:09] ski/rizon bonjour

[16:49:10] ski/rizon (feet teeth sounds .. painful)

[16:50:13] ski/rizon oy

[16:50:35] ski/rizon they harvest seaweed around here, for some restaurants, as well

[16:51:30] ski/rizon hm, apparently they have things in the ground, in pulbic parking spaces, in Japan, that keep your care there, until you pay up

[16:51:35] ski/rizon s/care/car/

[16:52:37] ski/rizon left side, itym ?

[16:53:48] ski/rizon hm, in "Alice: Madness Returns", there's a japanese chapter. with samurai wasps, and ant villagers. and jade and porcelain statues

[16:54:44] ski/rizon eight hours in a third of a day ..

[16:54:56] ski/rizon .. i wonder what's located in the other third of the day ..

[16:55:02] ski/rizon .. probably just the ocean

[16:55:15] ski/rizon tres bien

[16:55:37] ski/rizon non pas du tout

[16:56:27] ski/rizon you usually don't come across as stumbling with english, sushi-chan

[16:56:56] ski/rizon because they don't want to speak english, at least partly, i suspect

[16:57:22] ski/rizon i guess noone's forcing them

[16:58:18] ski/rizon well, i'm sure tourists don't mind it that much .. isn't it like a known french trait, part of the course ?

[16:58:49] ski/rizon you make it sound like it's still like in the time of les miserables

[17:00:38] ski/rizon you do have some nice comic artists, though. François Bourgeon,Jacques Tardi,Enki Bilal,Jean "Mœbius" Giraud,Dìdier Comes,Pierre Christin, ..

[17:01:12] ski/rizon old buildings in Japan are often built to withstand earthquakes .. it's interesting

[17:01:22] ski/rizon sushi-chan's enabled

[17:02:05] ski/rizon Fensta : stiff upper lip and all that, yea

[17:02:22] ski/rizon .. or meditation ?

[17:02:44] ski/rizon oh, congrats, and happy birthday, then, Hotties ! :)

[17:02:56] ski/rizon also, hiya

[17:03:12] ski/rizon Fensta : .. perhaps book returns ?

[17:04:00] ski/rizon usually people notice earthquake, before the tsunami hits

[17:04:17] ski/rizon some time in the 1600s, i think, there was a tsunami without an earthquake. it was noted in records

[17:04:45] ski/rizon geologists think it was the cascade range in western U.S. which caused it, travelling across the ocean

[17:05:07] ski/rizon there's a big one, that's long overdue there. it's probably going to be quite large, since it's taking too long

[17:05:50] ski/rizon there's stories from indian tribes about canoes being found up in trees. and there's a place at the coast where a whole forest cut broken (and preserved by the salt, iirc)

[17:06:36] ski/rizon hm .. i think there was also a big part of a mountain, at a fiord, in Norway, which slid down into the sea at one time, causing a large tsunami

[17:06:53] ski/rizon there's a mountain there that's quite instable

[17:07:33] ski/rizon die tollest Mädchen des Kanal

[17:08:17] ski/rizon Fensta : i suppose you could try both ?

[17:08:35] ski/rizon sounds great, h4 :p

[17:10:03] ski/rizon "Boom Boom" does sound like it could be simple

[17:10:22] ski/rizon oh, that sounds great, deadly

[17:11:30] ski/rizon sushi-chan : .. hmm .. same was as you learn to type fast, without looking at the keys on the keyboard all the time, i imagine

[17:13:30] ski/rizon sushi-chan : here's some flute (and other instruments) : "Karuna" by Faun in 2007 at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mty9TEmdfc>

[17:16:04] ski/rizon to process grass

[17:16:23] ski/rizon birds have a stomach with rocks in it

[17:16:32] ski/rizon (because they have no teeth)

[17:16:45] ski/rizon oy ComputerTech

[17:17:28] ski/rizon it's a bit chilly, here

[17:18:42] ski/rizon raise *whose* hand ?

[17:19:00] ski/rizon i didn't think you could be betrothed to a ghost

[17:19:18] ski/rizon totentanz

[17:19:50] ski/rizon a little bit repetitive, don't you think ?

[17:20:12] ski/rizon well, at least it's a power of two

[17:20:42] ski/rizon hm, is there an echo in here ?

[17:23:36] ski/rizon sushi-chan : well, there's some other birds, too, i think

[17:23:49] ski/rizon isn't there a Mynah bird, which is quite good at imitating ?

[17:24:03] ski/rizon can imitate a chainsaw, or a camera clicking

[17:25:12] ski/rizon oh, i

[17:25:24] ski/rizon i'm thinking oe lyrebird here, <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSB71jNq-yQ>

[17:26:14] ski/rizon oh, cats often look around, when i meow at them, i think sometimes they think there's another cat nearby

[17:26:37] ski/rizon sushi-chan : was there another cat in the mall, though ?

[17:26:43] ski/rizon (another, apart from you, i mean)

[17:26:53] ski/rizon oh

[17:27:00] ski/rizon makes sense, then

[17:27:11] ski/rizon oh, i've heard of cat island

[17:27:14] ski/rizon in Japan

[17:27:26] ski/rizon no cat cafés ?

[17:27:30] ski/rizon ah, ic, Rudolph :)

[17:28:15] ski/rizon i remember some german cartoon our teacher had us watch sometimes

[17:29:47] ski/rizon in one of them, there was an older man, who seemed interested in an older lady, who fed the pigeons. apparently they were neighbours. one time, he dressed up like a giant pigeon, and climbed over to her balcony. once in her apartment, he noticed she had a lot of pigeon feathers around. and then he found she was killing them, presumably for food. the cartoon ended by her coming into the room

[17:29:52] ski/rizon cleaver

[17:31:00] ski/rizon amoebas can devour over cells whole

[17:31:55] ski/rizon apparently you become very thirsty

[17:32:02] ski/rizon and start throthing at the mouth

[17:32:13] ski/rizon (hm, "frothing", maybe ?)

[17:33:00] ski/rizon at least you don't have Kure

[17:33:14] ski/rizon (unless you've recently eaten any brains of relatives .. ?)

[17:33:25] ski/rizon a prionic disease .. similar to mad cow

[17:33:48] ski/rizon there was a tribe in Papua New Guinea, who used to eat the brains of their dead relatives. especially the women did this, for some reason

[17:34:01] ski/rizon but then they started getting this disease, Kure, because of it

[17:34:23] ski/rizon prionic diseases are due to proteins malforming, and causing other proteins to malform, as well, making your brain into mush

[17:34:32] ski/rizon and if you eat that brain, you can get it as well

[17:35:02] ski/rizon monkey brains, though ?

[17:35:55] ski/rizon ty, ComputerTech :P

[17:36:14] ski/rizon but you like zombie films, right, sushi-chan ?

[17:36:29] ski/rizon hmm .. zombie ghosts ?

[17:37:10] ski/rizon sushi-chan : hm, i gotta find this short amateur scary japanese film, to show you

[17:38:01] ski/rizon sushi-chan : "My house walk-through" <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWXnt2Z2D1E>

[17:40:16] ski/rizon it's a good way to imagine you've got all kinds of diseases

[17:40:40] ski/rizon "oh .. maybe i have this .. but, um, i might have this, too !"

[17:41:14] ski/rizon reading a book about diseases causes of parasites like worms and the like isn't too nice, either

[17:42:18] ski/rizon but apparently Toxiplasma Gondii causes women to become more social, and weremen to become more careless .. or something like that

[17:42:26] ski/rizon might be related to the "crazy cat lady" thing

[17:43:15] ski/rizon (you can get it from cats. in mice, it causes them to be attracted to the smell of cats, and not run away from cats. this is so the cat will eat the mouse, and the parasite spreads to the cat. the cat doesn't die, but it spreads the eggs)

[17:43:46] ski/rizon it's not really dangerous to humans

[17:43:52] ski/rizon except if you're pregnant, iirc

[17:44:41] ski/rizon but apparently/supposedly it can cause people to walk out in the street without checking for cars (becoming more careless)

[17:45:03] ski/rizon because, at least in the mice, the parasite affects the brain of the host

[17:45:13] ski/rizon maybe, to some extent, in humans, too

[17:45:31] ski/rizon cocaine, or coabel ?

[17:46:33] ski/rizon sushi-chan : better to drink tea

[17:46:55] ski/rizon you shouldn't swear, sushi-chan

[17:47:34] ski/rizon i suppose, Rudolph

[17:47:50] ski/rizon but sushi-chan doesn't strike me as the cantankerous sort

[17:50:08] ski/rizon who's this "fuck-their-face", h4 ? an aquaintence of yours ?

[17:50:38] ski/rizon oh .. guess i'll have to remember that

[17:50:51] ski/rizon that's pretty funny, h4

[17:51:27] ski/rizon yes

[17:51:51] ski/rizon htireA

[17:52:17] ski/rizon sushi-chan : aha A e r i t h

[17:53:38] ski/rizon perhaps don't show pics, Rudolph ?

[17:54:53] ski/rizon hm, "manically" sounds like a interesting variant of the name "cally"

[17:55:19] ski/rizon it might be, h4, i suppose

[17:56:00] ski/rizon "-ski" is in Poland, i think ?

[17:56:07] ski/rizon "-sky" more in Russia

[17:56:28] ski/rizon people have sometimes asked me if i'm polish ..

[17:56:48] ski/rizon right

[17:57:02] ski/rizon nor "Marmeladov"

[17:57:14] ski/rizon sushi-chan : yea, "-ov" and "-evna"

[17:57:29] ski/rizon Sonya Kovalevskaya, too

[17:57:35] ski/rizon she's a famous mathematician

[17:57:53] ski/rizon moved to sweden. got private tutoring from Mittag-Leffler

[17:58:31] ski/rizon Mittag-Leffler is probably the reason why there's no Nobel prize in math. him and Alfred Nobel weren't best friends

[17:58:50] ski/rizon if there's been a Nobel prize, Mittag-Leffler would probably have qualified

[17:59:19] ski/rizon it's just a different language, what's the problem ?

[17:59:50] ski/rizon 2³ = 2⋅2⋅2 -- the superscript tells you how many times to multiply the "base" number with itself

[18:00:16] ski/rizon hm, someone i chatted with, from Alabama, claimed they didn't speak english, but spoke Alambamish

[18:01:05] ski/rizon sushi-chan : there's no shame in not being good in maths. people have talents and traits in different areas

[18:01:41] ski/rizon sushi-chan : my sister has that

[18:02:00] ski/rizon she's quite smart, still

[18:02:44] ski/rizon with whipped cream ?

[18:03:00] ski/rizon (who brings the whip ?)

[18:03:17] ski/rizon sponge cake, sushi-chan ?

[18:03:24] ski/rizon or you prefer maybe chocolate cake ?

[18:03:27] ski/rizon yea, but which kind ?

[18:04:45] ski/rizon h4 : better be some of those caramelized cherries on top

[18:05:00] ski/rizon and banana and grape

[18:07:56] ski/rizon hm, they already built a wall, over in U.K.

[18:08:01] ski/rizon Hadrian's wall

[18:08:09] ski/rizon to keep the picts out, iirc

[18:08:17] ski/rizon yes, the romans had it built

[18:08:30] ski/rizon to stop invasions from the picts, up in scotland

[18:09:36] ski/rizon sushi-chan : Floor Jansen's singing pretty nicely

[18:11:17] ski/rizon your 素敵だね isn't too bad, either

[18:12:10] ski/rizon yes

[18:12:21] ski/rizon (you've linked to it, before)

[18:16:31] ski/rizon people have preferences

[18:17:06] ski/rizon asia is a continent, last i checked

[18:17:17] ski/rizon (or a princess, depending on who you ask)

[18:17:28] ski/rizon yesterday

[18:17:44] ski/rizon hm, good point

[18:18:53] ski/rizon good chatting with you, sushi-chan :)

[18:19:00] ski/rizon take care, have a nice dinner !

[18:20:15] ski/rizon sic transit gloria mundi

[18:22:29] ski/rizon too late for farewells now

[18:22:47] ski/rizon oy

[18:23:35] ski/rizon (clear ? how can bacon be clear ?)

[18:23:53] ski/rizon hm, i could do that

[18:26:24] ski/rizon (there's a saying "clear as sausage broth" -- some people nowadays seem to think it means that something is very clear and unambiguous -- while, in actuality, it means the opposite. guess they haven't seen sausage broth)

[18:41:50] ski/rizon Rudolph : quite amazing

[18:49:03] ski/rizon are you sure he likes smörgåstårta ?

[18:50:19] ski/rizon what do you mean, be mean, what's the meaning of this ?

[18:50:44] ski/rizon perhaps he likes sticking close to the mean ?

[18:53:06] ski/rizon mean is also Wartenwert, i think ?

[21:22:36] ski/rizon Doktor Moraklocka

[22:21:19] ski/rizon surely yes

[22:21:37] ski/rizon wez : oh, btw, i enjoyed that Bill Bailey version

[22:22:40] ski/rizon Aerith : sounds tasty :p

[22:23:23] ski/rizon how you gonna do Model M, otherwise, huh ?

[22:24:16] ski/rizon you've got decorations up ?

[22:25:38] ski/rizon wasn't it august, just a short while ago ?

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