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[12:26:19] Frogorg/rizon hi

[12:26:43] Frogorg/rizon Mikoolo: can't, self-isolating because COVID

[12:27:15] Frogorg/rizon that's cold

[12:30:39] Frogorg/rizon Mikoolo "let's go for a walk" also Mikoolo "I don't want to expose myself to cold"

[13:47:58] Frogorg/rizon I should probably go back to work

[13:50:07] Frogorg/rizon no it's not

[13:50:12] Frogorg/rizon not everywhere is Northern Sweden

[13:58:27] Frogorg/rizon Herr h4

[14:09:23] Frogorg/rizon hmm, should I go back to work or take time off work to rest

[14:09:40] Frogorg/rizon one choice will bring me money, the other one might bring me joy

[14:11:22] Frogorg/rizon yeah but the time will be probably spent on Cities Skylines 2

[14:12:48] Frogorg/rizon I like it

[16:09:16] Frogorg/rizon hi

[16:53:39] Frogorg/rizon same

[17:00:01] Frogorg/rizon irish man

[17:00:31] Frogorg/rizon you or me?

[17:00:55] Frogorg/rizon yeah same, I've got covid

[17:01:01] Frogorg/rizon but I haven't lifted in 3 weeks

[17:01:21] Frogorg/rizon according to my doctor friend, I should be fine Saturday

[17:01:54] Frogorg/rizon it is painful

[17:03:12] Frogorg/rizon irish666: I blame mysterious sickness, Christmas and COVID

[17:04:11] Frogorg/rizon thank you, you stay strong!

[17:04:29] Frogorg/rizon mysterious sickness could have been just anxiety and failures in self care, but Idk

[17:04:36] Frogorg/rizon same

[17:05:39] Frogorg/rizon irish666: I might be physically weak, but I'm past feeling mentally weak

[17:05:46] Frogorg/rizon except diet. I absolutely suck at it

[17:06:53] Frogorg/rizon hmm, maybe I should get a poke bowl instead of pizza

[17:07:42] Frogorg/rizon no I'm not, but I'm striving to stick to diet as soon as this bullshit ends

[17:07:54] Frogorg/rizon it's hard to have a sensible diet when you can't leave home

[17:09:09] Frogorg/rizon I'm 100% self-reliant though

[17:12:22] Frogorg/rizon HelderHeid: hello

[17:12:52] Frogorg/rizon it's a bowl with rice, some protein filler and assortment of fruits and veggies

[17:14:29] Frogorg/rizon some fruits fit, such as pomegranate

[17:15:24] Frogorg/rizon that's why I said "fruits"

[17:42:01] Frogorg/rizon I'm disappointed with this poke bowl

[17:42:08] Frogorg/rizon literally half of it is rice

[17:42:39] Frogorg/rizon football?

[17:43:20] Frogorg/rizon Fensta: it's a bowl with some protein filler, rice and an assortment of veggies, sometimes with sauce

[17:43:25] Frogorg/rizon apparently, half of this one is rice

[17:44:54] Frogorg/rizon well I've said it because you can throw in any meat or tofu and it'll work

[17:49:02] Frogorg/rizon lol

[17:56:25] Frogorg/rizon HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE: right, for example Darrell Brooks

[17:56:30] Frogorg/rizon oh wait that was US too

[17:59:09] Frogorg/rizon h4: I'm inclined to agree with HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE though, I don't think USA's armed violence problem is a problem with guns themselves - outlawing guns would shrink these numbers, and nullify suicide by firearm or lethal firearm accidents, but I'm thinking that the mass shooters would convert to stuff like vehicular homicide

[18:00:09] Frogorg/rizon Mikoolo: I've cited at least one such example, pay attention

[18:00:54] Frogorg/rizon I'm thinking that mass murders in USA aren't caused by guns themselves, it's just a tool that makes it relatively easy to execute

[18:01:16] Frogorg/rizon it's stuff such as poverty or bullying

[18:01:31] Frogorg/rizon h4: I've just said so, pay attention

[18:02:15] Frogorg/rizon Mikoolo: and? basically anything can be glorified, ever seen autistic people and trains? unless you're saying this in context of NRA and gun control, which, I don't think frankly speaking would change a lot

[18:02:24] Frogorg/rizon mental health checks? that will shift suicide by firearm to suicide by hanging

[18:02:36] Frogorg/rizon criminal record checks? aren't those already in place?

[18:03:25] Frogorg/rizon Mikoolo: and I totally understand that

[18:04:32] Frogorg/rizon Fensta: even if they didn't, that would increase suicide rates, but most of mental illnesses don't correlate with violent crimes, and for example schizophrenics are way more likely to be a crime victim than perpetrator

[18:08:20] Frogorg/rizon h4: that reminds me of a mushroom recognition apps with two buttons: "I will not pick mushrooms solely basing on the result from this application" and "I am suicidal or stupid"

[18:08:49] Frogorg/rizon h4: love it

[18:08:58] Frogorg/rizon h4: my friend's friend worked in the toxicology lab

[18:09:06] Frogorg/rizon she loves mushroom pickers

[18:09:42] Frogorg/rizon and identifying mushroom spores from patient's vomit - apparently, she had no training in this, so she just went through a book and went "not this one, not this one, not this one"

[18:10:38] Frogorg/rizon h4: colorblind people aren't seeing greyscale, they usually fail to distinguish two basic colors

[18:10:50] Frogorg/rizon but yeah, that would make mushroom picking harder

[18:11:41] Frogorg/rizon h4: that reminds me of a story from my previous workplace where they've sent a dude to the lab to solder a programming board into a prototype, and they told the dude "ok, green goes here, red here..."

[18:11:51] Frogorg/rizon unbeknownst to anyone, including the dude himself, he was colorblind

[18:12:25] Frogorg/rizon deadly: superbased, I hate fireworks too

[18:12:39] Frogorg/rizon exactly

[18:13:07] Frogorg/rizon plus, it's not seeing grayscale, you just fail to distinguish two basic colors apart, which is not the task you usually have to do

[18:13:13] Frogorg/rizon 8% of men are colorblind

[18:13:23] Frogorg/rizon Mikoolo: Ishihara boards aren't standard test arsenal

[18:13:32] Frogorg/rizon *Ishikawa

[18:14:00] Frogorg/rizon h4, deadly: it's a great idea to mix alcohol with explosives to see "woooah it glows"

[18:14:52] Frogorg/rizon Mikoolo: watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z9AOBOSF4o

[18:20:56] Frogorg/rizon h4: skip class, eat ass, smoke grass, cum last, ignore Ahsoka or something like that

[18:21:32] Frogorg/rizon you're at freedom to use ignore on everyone who annoys you, including me

[18:21:54] Frogorg/rizon Fensta: just realized I am 98 years old

[18:24:39] Frogorg/rizon lol

[18:25:01] Frogorg/rizon Mikoolo: the identifying part of a joke is that it is funny

[18:25:18] Frogorg/rizon Ahsoka tries to achieve this by being edgy, which isn't inherently funny

[18:25:59] Frogorg/rizon h4: I have my doctor on call and she is not afraid to prescribe me benzodiazepines lol

[18:27:20] Frogorg/rizon h4: I've learned how to be funny and my coworkers seem to like me for that. that and also baking cakes

[18:28:00] Frogorg/rizon don';t

[18:28:10] Frogorg/rizon yes

[18:28:37] Frogorg/rizon h4: today we've been talking about a big discount at IT books vendor, they've asked if there's anything cool and I've said "there's a cool book about procrastination, but I'll buy it later"

[18:31:57] Frogorg/rizon irish666: good luck, are you in pain?

[18:32:25] Frogorg/rizon irish666: good luck, stay strong

[18:33:55] Frogorg/rizon can I complain a bit?

[18:36:29] Frogorg/rizon jesus

[18:36:47] Frogorg/rizon irish666: I'm using this

[18:37:18] Frogorg/rizon irish666: is this criminal charge?

[18:38:12] Frogorg/rizon irish666: half of this channel should be arrested over this lol

[18:38:24] Frogorg/rizon including you every time you ask me for vocaroo lmao

[18:39:19] Frogorg/rizon \g: so is Facebook but I bet it has been used for harrassment over Facebook already

[18:41:32] Frogorg/rizon Fensta: me ironically rn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCq8zzMuoLk&t=66s

[18:42:49] Frogorg/rizon \g: yes. I bet Misuse of Communications Act has been invoked in cases of harrassment over private services available to wide public

[18:43:15] Frogorg/rizon and I can think of numerous examples of different privately owned services that are available to the public

[18:43:26] Frogorg/rizon if Facebook is not to your liking for some reason

[18:44:45] Frogorg/rizon \g: even Wikipedia cites examples of cases involving Facebook or Twitter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Act_2003#Malicious_communications

[18:47:35] Frogorg/rizon I guess it's just another poorly worded legislation, just like infamous Rave Act

[18:52:06] Frogorg/rizon Fensta: he was anxious he would face criminal charges for assault

[18:55:15] Frogorg/rizon Fensta: that defense would somehow make it worse

[18:55:31] Frogorg/rizon just don't assault people

[18:55:33] Frogorg/rizon that's simple

[18:56:59] Frogorg/rizon good night irish666

[18:58:00] Frogorg/rizon btw have you heard the story about Polish hackers, the trains that wouldn't go vroom vroom and the producer's backdoor?

[18:58:23] Frogorg/rizon yes, that's why I'm mentioning it

[18:58:30] Frogorg/rizon haven't seen it yet but I've read a few articles

[19:00:09] Frogorg/rizon the prosecutor, the anti-monopoly authorities, and the Polish version of NSA are on their ass now

[19:00:28] Frogorg/rizon we don't know yet whose ass - probably the producers, but they haven't made it explicitly clear they're not after the hackers, but it sounds unlikely

[19:01:31] Frogorg/rizon well, one of the charges involved is criminal hacking

[19:01:36] Frogorg/rizon also fraud

[19:02:21] Frogorg/rizon it is most likely against the newag, but the story the producer tells is that "the hackers have hacked our code, planted this code, and tried to frame and fraud us"

[19:02:41] Frogorg/rizon the story is bizzarily simple to prove, and they're probably aware of this

[19:03:10] Frogorg/rizon but given the gravity of the situation, they're grabbing onto whatever they can

[19:03:28] Frogorg/rizon unfortunately, the charges fit both the story the producer tells and the story the hackers tell

[19:03:53] Frogorg/rizon but, it's unlikely they'll be prosecuted for criminal hacking because of white hat exemption

[19:05:27] Frogorg/rizon if they would have invoked 254a of KK ("Who destroys, takes, or makes unusable element of (...) railways (...), causing disturbance to the network or part thereof"), that would be obvious who's the investigation gearing against

[19:05:44] Frogorg/rizon Chiester: oh I totally believe the hackers, it's just I don't hold Polish prosecutors in high regard

[19:06:33] Frogorg/rizon let me pull up KK real quick

[19:09:37] Frogorg/rizon Chiester: that would have been 254a KK, possibly 165 KK ("Who causes a threat to life or health of many people, or to a gross value property: (...) causing damage or standstill to the public service device (...)"

[19:10:22] Frogorg/rizon but 254a KK was not invoked (yet?), and 165 KK would require 254a KK to be invoked, and also a proof that the killswitch could have been used in a running train, which IIRC was the case

[19:10:31] Frogorg/rizon (KK = Polish penal code)

[19:11:10] Frogorg/rizon (context: every Polish penal code entry starts with "Who", and ends with "shall be punished by <punishment here>"

[19:12:15] Frogorg/rizon I'll be amazed if anyone faces criminal charges and I hope for that

[19:12:22] Frogorg/rizon but they can be hurt in different ways as well

[19:12:48] Frogorg/rizon for example, they could have been kicked out of public service orders, and since not many people buy private trains...

[19:14:05] Frogorg/rizon there are mandatory exclusion clauses for companies involved in breaching anti-trust laws, the path is complicated but since anti-trust authorities are involved there is a chance, also the companies directly affected (which is pretty much everyone) could kick them out under another provisions

[19:14:40] Frogorg/rizon they could end up bankrupt

[20:20:14] Frogorg/rizon hello

[20:20:22] Frogorg/rizon you remind me of my coworker

[20:20:29] Frogorg/rizon yes

[20:20:32] Frogorg/rizon but in a good way

[20:20:42] Frogorg/rizon she's also polite and always says hi

[20:21:58] Frogorg/rizon hi Ryu, I'm well, thanks - recovering from covid and procrastinating

[20:22:01] Frogorg/rizon you?

[20:22:57] Frogorg/rizon :(

[20:23:11] Frogorg/rizon :((

[20:23:16] Frogorg/rizon fuck

[20:23:18] Frogorg/rizon that doesn't sound good

[20:23:31] Frogorg/rizon what are the lesions from? also, you were to a doctor with the toe infection right?

[20:24:28] Frogorg/rizon good luck, hope your and hers health recovers soon

[20:24:42] Frogorg/rizon godspeed

[20:25:15] Frogorg/rizon that's a lot

[20:28:05] Frogorg/rizon oh I'm gonna be fucked tomorrow

[20:28:23] Frogorg/rizon well my misfortunes are not comparable to Ryu's, no offense

[20:36:25] Frogorg/rizon :|

[20:36:34] Frogorg/rizon I need to go out and get vaping juice

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