Thursday, August 18, 2022
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Aliv3/rizon
Jesus Christ, it is a fucking horrible evil demon
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ski/rizon
. o O ( <https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/obRdIhf9viZG.gif> )
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ski/rizon
Peorth : reminded me of this one ^ :)
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ski/rizon
(i actually have a Commodore Vic, too ..)
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Aliv3/rizon
Peorth: Do you remember a game where you had to use keys?
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Aliv3/rizon
It was also a Windows game back then.
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Aliv3/rizon
You needed keys, all I remember, I was like 5, so..
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ski/rizon
Chip's Challenge, maybe ?
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ski/rizon
i remember making my own levels for that
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ski/rizon
(and before that, for Boulder Dash on the Commodore 64, and for Emerald Mine on the Amiga. Repton III on the C64 was also a somewhat similar, and nice, game)
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Aliv3/rizon
I sold my Nintendo games during the pandemic, we just got a lot of stuff out of our home
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Aliv3/rizon
One game that got me crazy was Puzznic, did someone play that?
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YouTube » NES Longplay [623] Puzznic (02:44:43) · by World of Longplays on 2016-07-11 · ↑244 · 24,292 views
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Aliv3/rizon
I had games that went for 500 bucks (like Flintstones 2, pretty rare) this game went for like 3 bucks. Haha.
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Aliv3/rizon
"Jesus Christ... Puzznic.. Don't want it"
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Aliv3/rizon
You think you are smart until it doesn't make any sense anymore.
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Aliv3/rizon
I don't even want to see the solutions, it feels like I am watching God's work.
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Aliv3/rizon
When it comes to NES, I would say one of the hardest games is Cobra Triangle.
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Aliv3/rizon
It's just too damn hard to beat, you are going to fail.
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ski/rizon
hm, i don't remember hearing about that game
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Kuro-chan
I think it involves boats
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ski/rizon
only played some NES (and SNES) on emulator
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ski/rizon
(well, maybe once or twice i played on SNES at some else's home)
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Kuro-chan/rizon
I still have my nes, copy of duck hunt, zapper and a tv to play it on
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ski/rizon
(hm .. may have been Super Mario .. and A Link to the Past)
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ski/rizon
i remember playing The Great Gianna Sisters
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Aliv3/rizon
Cobra triangle is also some old school arcade game or something that was converted to NES, it is so insanel
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DuckHunt/rizon
Suntop > *CLACK* Your gun is jammed, you must reload to unjam it... | Ammo: 3/6 | Chargers: 2/2
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Suntop > *Crr..CLICK* You unjam your gun. | Ammo: 3/6 | Chargers: 2/2
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DuckHunt/rizon
Suntop > *BANG* You shot down the duck in 24.354s, which makes you a total of 3 ducks on #computertech. You are promoted to level 2 (noob). \_X< *KWAK* [10 xp]
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Aliv3/rizon
Kid Icarus was also insane, bit like Bobble bubble
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Aliv3/rizon
Kid Icarus was fun because you finally had enough cash to buy whatever it was
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ski/rizon
Mario clone. it was withdrawn from sale, due to Nintendo
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Kuro-chan/rizon
metroid is also classic platforming, but the nes version is not easy.
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ski/rizon
heh, i played Bubble Bobble. may have played Kid Icarus a little too, not sure
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ski/rizon
hm, and there was some game called Rainbow something ?
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Aliv3/rizon
If you think about what the best games were though, on NES, it was SMB3
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ski/rizon
ah, it was sequel to Bubble Bobble
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Aliv3/rizon
It was during it's time, just so insanely good. I couldn't sleep when I got it.
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Aliv3/rizon
I pretended I was sleeping, then I started the whole thing and very low volume, I wanted to hear it.
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Aliv3/rizon
"What are you doing up..? You are supposed to sleep".. I remember mom was pretty nice to me then, she thought Super Mario 3 was cool too.
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Aliv3/rizon
So I got to play a little bit :)
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Aliv3/rizon
All I could think about was SMB3 and talked about it to all friends in school.. "I got SMB3.. it is amazing". And you know back then it was fun, because you had THAT game.
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Aliv3/rizon
Think we ended up being like 5-6 friends, and it was always "let me try".
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Aliv3/rizon
And it was someone that always fucked it up
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Kuro-chan/rizon
tetris, dr.mario, yoshi, yoshi's cookie are also on nes
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Aliv3/rizon
"You DONT UNDERSTAND IT, ... let me have it.." etc. fun times
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Aliv3/rizon
"If you run fast enough you get wings and you can go to heaven"
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ski/rizon
i remember drawing (invented) maps of Bards Tale II: The Destiny Knight, in second class in school or so
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ski/rizon
(and some Lemmings levels)
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ski/rizon
(oh, and Dungeon Master .. that's a nice game, i still play it, now and then)
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nods to Aliv3
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Aliv3/rizon
ski: When I got "selected" for OpenAI just before the pandemic (the sep 2019) I started a project to make a "MUD", and we did some fun with that, the code is not released, but it was a fun thing.
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ski/rizon
(my older brothers were playing Bard's Tale,Dungeon Master,Eye of the Beholder,Black Crypt,Cadaver,The Secret of Monkey Island,Turrican,Civilization,Pirates!,Castle Master,..)
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Aliv3/rizon
ski: And we did some autogenerated dungeons and stuff, graphically too.
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ski/rizon
(Shadow of the Beast,Obitus)
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ski/rizon
sure sounds like, Aliv3 :b
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ski/rizon
. o O ( <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inform> )
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ski/rizon
ah, i played the King's Quest series (well, not all, but several of them), maybe ten or fifteen years ago
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ski/rizon
Aliv3 : that's fun. with ability to save seed ?
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Aliv3/rizon
ski: We went pretty nerdy. Text-to-speech with it too and vice versa. In the future dungeon games will be like that I think, we never got it perfected, because it is insanely expensive to have an AI to be your DM right now.
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ski/rizon
. o O ( Phantasie III: The Wrath of Nikademus,The Faery Tale Adventure )
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Aliv3/rizon
Just give it a few years, moores law.
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Aliv3/rizon
It was so sucessful in a sense that I had a friend wanting to invest in it and buy the concept, but again, it was too expensive to even.. I mean, just give it some year, we will see things like that.
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ski/rizon
Faery Tale used a custom very compact map format, with the world tiled by large blocks, each of them in turn tiled by individual graphical map tiles. it gave a fractal feel (especially near coasts) .. often you thought you were back somewhere, but it was just a place which looked similar
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Aliv3/rizon
Soon you will have a text-to-speech MUD and your DM will be AI. It will be so awesome you will never let go.
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Aliv3/rizon
We bought one of the biggest MUDs
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Aliv3/rizon
Still own it, cant recall what its name is now
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Aliv3/rizon
I sound like a bigot now, I know
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Aliv3/rizon
yeah ok well so it was a fun thing to do, because I had not realized that people played rpgs, even in text form
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Aliv3/rizon
And in reality, text.. is awesome right? You can do ANYTHING
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Aliv3/rizon
Only your imagination is there, so making that MMO..
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Aliv3/rizon
So now when you got very good text-to-speech (I guess we can wait some year for that too) we are going to have something called interactive books
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ski/rizon
yea, people nowadays often focus too much of shiny graphics
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Aliv3/rizon
multi user interactive books.. I swear to God it will happen
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ski/rizon
graphics can be nice. but if the game experience is bad, it can't make up for it
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Aliv3/rizon
If you are in the same room as me, we could have a voice chat
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ski/rizon
yea, i remember Solo Adventure books
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Aliv3/rizon
And you ACTUALLY communicate with each other
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Aliv3/rizon
"Where are you going? I am going up north"
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Aliv3/rizon
"You went north, bla bla bla bla bla"
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Aliv3/rizon
I believe that kind of thing is absolutely possible to do within 2-3 years and execute it flawlessly
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Aliv3/rizon
Instead of making it like "Go north" etc. in command, we did this thing where you had an assistant
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ski/rizon
hm, now i'm reminded of Stories Untold, whose first chapter, The House Abandon, is a text adventure
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Aliv3/rizon
It would give you different ideas if you idle too long, so it would say "Are you staying here?" also you had to feed it, it was a great concept anyway
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Aliv3/rizon
"No where am I?" And it would just take out the map
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DuckHunt/rizon
Worm` > *BANG* You shot down the duck in 12.567s, which makes you a total of 4 ducks on #computertech. \_X< *KWAK* [10 xp]
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Aliv3/rizon
"You are currently in XX XX. You are running low on water"
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Aliv3/rizon
"Where is water?" ... "We haven't found any yet"
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Aliv3/rizon
etc. you get the thing, sorry for spamming
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ski/rizon
. o O ( "What game designers should never do" in 2007-04-16 at <http://viridia.org/2007/04/16/game-designers-should-never-do/>,"There’s no constructive theory of fun" in 2008-10-11 at <https://viridia.org/2008/10/13/theres-no-constructive-theory-of-fun/>, both by Talin )
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Aliv3/rizon
I thought the whole thing was a cool concept
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ski/rizon
. o O ( "The Power of Negative Thinking" (Article for Interactive Entertainment Design, in Communications of the Association for Computing Machinery) by Talin (aka David Joiner) in 1997-07,1999-08 at <https://viridia.org/talin/negativethinking.html> )
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ski/rizon
(Talin was the (sole) developer of Faery Tale)
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ski/rizon
nah, i just happened to stumble over those articles, and found them interesting
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Aliv3/rizon
Well if someone that read what I wrote here, and don't know what to do, try out that
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Aliv3/rizon
But don't contact Alive, because apparently I am under attack haha
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ski/rizon
hm, re RPG DM .. i know there's research being done on automatically generating narratives (e.g. related to logic programming, which historically has ties to natural language processing, and to (traditional) AI)
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Aliv3/rizon
ski: No the "bot" that is with you is the AI, the world is still designed by us
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Aliv3/rizon
It is the "excuse" that you say "Go North, pick up" bla bla, it was an interesting thing, and it will generate things based on the actual situation
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Aliv3/rizon
It is not an autogenerated world, it would be too complex and not satisfying, that won't happen for a long time
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Aliv3/rizon
But your friend, is an actual bot
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Aliv3/rizon
So when you communicate with it, you will build a relationship, it is a smart Tamagotchi
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Aliv3/rizon
And you will have to feed it too, we found that funny, but we didn't get further than that
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ski/rizon
hm, so it's like an extra party member ?
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ski/rizon
you can tell it to go do simple things ?
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Aliv3/rizon
Yeah everyone is assigned one when you enter the world
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Aliv3/rizon
We were modeling it after the idea that it is like Tink
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ski/rizon
(reminds me of Lure of the Temptress (graphical RPG), which had a quite advanced system of telling NPCs to go do tasks)
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ski/rizon
(can't recall hearing her being referred to as "Tink", before, though)
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Aliv3/rizon
Know what.. I will set up a server and we can try it some day
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ski/rizon
. o O ( "Hello ! Listen ! .. Strong iron bars are blocking the door." )
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ski/rizon
now i'm wondering if there's any Peter Pan games
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ski/rizon
and you can ask it for details ?
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Aliv3/rizon
You can do everything as any MUD game
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Aliv3/rizon
"Watch out Ski, there is a demon infront of you"
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only tried MUDs a little
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kisses the grue
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Aliv3/rizon
And maybe you could do this.. just thinking
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Aliv3/rizon
If you are noob we could code it so that it is a tutorial to begin with
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Aliv3/rizon
"Ski, I suggest you use the fireball" or whatever the fuck you have
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Aliv3/rizon
You did it. Dididududidudidiudi.
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Aliv3/rizon
But of course the fireball needs to be something magical word.
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ski/rizon
. o O ( LogicMOO <https://sourceforge.net/projects/logicmoo/>,<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCA7hHCZFr29EY2SqmSYwxA> )
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Aliv3/rizon
"You did it Ski! Let's get out of here now!"
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ski/rizon
invokes a MON FUL IR
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Aliv3/rizon
Something like that would also help writers get back to the game. Imagine, if you actually did such a game.
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Aliv3/rizon
You have actual real writers write stories.
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ski/rizon
(that's maximum power fire ball, in Dungeon Master. you'd cast spells by composing them out of a selection of runes. and you have to remember those, and press them quickly, in combat. quite nice system)
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Aliv3/rizon
And not saying expansion packs.. "just saying".. Stephen King wrote that one.
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ski/rizon
("MON" is maximum power, "FUL" is the fire element, and "IR" is flying)
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Aliv3/rizon
If you are in a hellish enviroment.
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ski: No I was saying, if such a game would be a thing.
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ski: You could have actual writers, write worlds.
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Aliv3/rizon
That is an actual book you are playing
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Aliv3/rizon
Elon Musk is writing this down right now and claiming it as his own idea
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Aliv3/rizon
I mentioned this in 2020 as were making it and during 2021 we had like 500 people playing
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Aliv3/rizon
people liked it, but it was not viable
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Aliv3/rizon
there were a few reasons why it didnt work, one was if too people got in the same room, they couldnt shut up
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Aliv3/rizon
we thought ok, we just let them talk with the angel
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Aliv3/rizon
but then they couldnt interact with the people and whatever.. it was just a mess
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Aliv3/rizon
so proximity chat isnt working in that sense
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Aliv3/rizon
so anyway lots of things failed, it got boring and tedious to continue with the concept
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ski/rizon
oh, didn't know Musk was interested in RPGs or text adventures
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Aliv3/rizon
He used to be on Freenode back in the day
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ski/rizon
(i'm getting a bit sleepy, so sorry for being a bit random with associations)
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Aliv3/rizon
Yeah because you dont know his nick
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ski/rizon
i remember i chatted with esr a little, once. and say nocebo, i think (Naggum)
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Aliv3/rizon
I always brag about that I had a chat with Satoshi too, but it is true, plenty of times
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. o O ( "S-exp vs XML" (rant) by nocebo in 2002-12-28 at <https://harmful.cat-v.org/software/xml/s-exp_vs_XML> )
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Kuro-chan/rizon
looks like the aon has some similarity to the fighting fantasy series
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Aliv3/rizon
I didnt even know they knew about nocebo back then as a concept
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ski/rizon
Erik Naggum, a somewhat notorious (for strong opinions) <news:comp.lang.lisp> Usenet poster. also known for working on SGML
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ski/rizon
hm, maybe he changed his nick at some point, i dunno. i just used the nick i knew
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Thats too old for me, I mean, I know what Usenet is, but for me it is mostly file sharing
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started IRCing in 2001
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Aliv3/rizon
I helped out writing Couchpotato
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ski/rizon
well, a few years before, i'd seen a girl happily chatting away in turkish, in mIRC, in the school library
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ski/rizon
around the same time, i started (mostly) lurking on some Usenet newsgroups ..
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ski/rizon
hm, no what's Couchpotato ?
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Aliv3/rizon
It was from beginning for Usenet
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ski/rizon
(it was actually Usenet who got me onto IRC .. i got there from a WikiWiki (iirc MoinMoin) that mentioned an IRC channel)
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Aliv3/rizon
This must be really long time ago? 90s?
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ski/rizon
nah, i got on IRC in 2001
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ski/rizon
(maybe one or two years ago i'd seen my brother use mIRC, and briefly used it on one occasion. but i didn't get into it, then)
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ski/rizon
well, specifically, for the programming language Haskell .. the network was known as OpenProjects back then
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Aliv3/rizon
Got to have been one of those two
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ski/rizon
(although for quite some time i was only in that one channel. later i branched out into a few more)
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ski/rizon
i've been on IRCnet a little, and DALnet, not too much
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Aliv3/rizon
On to the story, I want to hear it :)
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ski/rizon
(mostly scene-related channels .. my older brothers were into the demo scene)
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Aliv3/rizon
I mean IRC is used for some of automata in Usenet software today
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ski/rizon
hm, not quite sure what more to tell, really
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ski/rizon
i've been on IRC basically continuously, since then
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Aliv3/rizon
For the scene, but the scene is closed
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ski/rizon
well, there are still demo parties
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Aliv3/rizon
Yeah but the scene is very different
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ski/rizon
(although i never got involved personally in the scene)
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Aliv3/rizon
I am just kidding I don't know about the scene..
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ski/rizon
if you want to, you could look up a documentary "Demoscene: The Art of the Algorithms" by Moleman 2
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(apparently Alive is taken, has nick protection ..)
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I think most people know that we need to solve this somehow sooner or later.
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Aliv3/rizon
The fact that someone is impersonating me and that there are stalkers on this network.
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Aliv3/rizon
I am more sorry for the person that wanted to do that.
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Aliv3/rizon
Because it is completely meaningless.
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Kuro-chan/rizon
Why would someone want to go through such trouble in the first place?
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Aliv3/rizon
I didn't think I wanted to come back to IRC and so I forgot about IRC, and my nick dropped, and here we are, someone claiming to be me and whatever.
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Aliv3/rizon
I think some people just don't have a mom.
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Aliv3/rizon
Some people doesn't have a mom...
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ski/rizon
(yea .. imho, not too much point getting angry at such people (except maybe as an energy drive to actually do something reasonable about it, if an opportunity arises) .. otherwise, better not to waste one's energy)
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ski/rizon
i guess some also don't have dads .. or present dads
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Aliv3/rizon
My dad died when I was early, so I don't have that entirely, I can feel that
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ski/rizon
(hard being a single parent)
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Aliv3/rizon
I mean, it was early for me, sorry
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Aliv3/rizon
They say 50% in prison or something are without a dad
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ski/rizon
mm, certainly increases likelyhood of that .. and early pregnancies for girls, iirc
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Aliv3/rizon
We nice guys got the best women anyway
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Aliv3/rizon
So whoever the fuck thought it was funny to troll as me
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Aliv3/rizon
Knows who he/she is, what is the point of that?
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Aliv3/rizon
In the future it will be even harder to know who is who, that is the case with Twitter, trolling in general
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ski/rizon
some people have nothing better to do .. or try to make themselves feel better, by denigrating others ..
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Aliv3/rizon
We will have to do KYC eventually, it is the end of anon
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Aliv3/rizon
Know Your Customer, as in banking
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ski/rizon
mhm (never heard before)
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Aliv3/rizon
Back in the day you could have a Swiss bank account, completely anon
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Aliv3/rizon
Same with companies, you could have bear shares I think it is called
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Aliv3/rizon
Where you literally have a paper signed, and whoever holds it, OWNS the company
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Aliv3/rizon
So it can be a secret company worth god knows what
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