IRC Driven

[01:04:28] login How can an animal be rude?

[01:05:42] login but it's horror

[04:15:31] login so what did they find?

[04:18:20] login was that a motorbike?

[04:18:43] login how does a bicycle have a pedal break?

[04:18:46] login *brake

[04:19:33] login so just locking the pedals is enough to brake?

[04:21:21] login i'm glad you're sharing this experience with us, for us to keep in mind in our own travle

[04:21:23] login *travels

[04:22:28] login how did they know it was your bike?

[04:22:40] login oh, that's good, that's how

[04:23:28] login good on them for contacting police about a stolen bike

[04:24:46] login cycling under the influence

[04:25:42] login someone's cycling joy ride

[04:26:35] login so many risks in the world

[04:29:00] login a different kind of influence

[05:18:39] login (anime) been enjoying this other watch through of death note even more than the other one - You're tearing me apart Lisa

[05:18:46] login oops - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGbUzKSdbMM&list=PL5uLW9wy5lLTq-mzhglxXMiIowNjgZ4Am&index=17

[05:19:39] login police and crime-solving is one of those things the police should do better at, because nobody else can do that for them - some states do have private prosecution in financial crimes

[05:22:30] login Squid Game was pretty good too - just for the world-building

[06:06:00] login i.e., periwinkles

[06:06:44] login balderdash?

[06:07:04] login How are the top users measured/

[06:26:16] login well, what is the unit of measurement?

[06:26:19] login mm?

[06:28:05] login or units of 0.1 mm?

[06:28:18] login i.e.. 5.88 cm?

[06:32:09] login but decimalisation was good

[06:32:21] login imperial -> british empire

[06:32:35] login the feminisation of the world is well underway anyway, MatCat

[06:33:06] login from the book: the better angels of our nature

[06:34:01] login nowhere is the reduction in violence that that book tries to explain better demonstrated than in asia

[06:34:14] login (per 1000 people)

[06:35:16] login I might be wrong: https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/most-violent-countries/

[06:35:38] login It's densely populated areas in small well-to-do countries

[06:36:21] login i thought it was honduras

[06:36:49] login it seems honduras is no. 2

[06:36:55] login 1. is jamaica

[06:37:05] login and good ol' mexico is no. 4

[06:37:27] login it might have gone down after gun laws were relaxed there in 2019

[06:38:02] login the robbers don't want to play russian roulette

[06:38:42] login btw, this story might interest you: https://qntm.org/responsibilit

[06:49:01] login It was just called 'Responsibility' before

[06:54:35] login can he hear you?

[06:55:01] login snakes don't have ears though

[06:56:13] login i thought the inner ear was for balance

[06:56:53] login just through air vibrations moving the snake's skin?

[06:56:58] login *scales

[07:07:38] login i can put ear plugs in too

[07:07:40] login same effect

[07:07:58] login it's impossible to know exactly what snakes sense though

[07:08:10] login (well, for one meaning of 'know')

[07:12:32] login maybe physically

[07:12:42] login probably mentally too

[07:13:04] login but he failed strategically, in developing russia into a legitimately attractive economy to integrate with

[07:13:23] login have you seen litecoin btw? it's just been going up in a straight line

[07:13:52] login I thought it was because ukraine was so close to russia

[07:14:10] login It would be like Mexico agreeing to do join military exercises

[07:14:14] login *joint

[07:14:37] login Or the full southern americas joining Russia in a military union

[07:15:20] login Only way Putin saw without having to trust Ukraine, Europe and America from keeping their promises was to take Ukraine's sovereignity away

[07:15:31] login evil is banal - that is the biggest realisation

[07:15:44] login the US has done plenty of evil things too, in faraway lands

[07:15:54] login And so has france

[07:15:59] login and china too

[07:16:18] login A different kind of sanity

[07:17:10] login I thought being a bit crazy kept others from testing your boundaries

[07:17:38] login This also puts Trump's Ukraine phone call in a new light

[07:17:54] login "expose dirt on Joe Biden, or we won't help you in militarily"

[07:18:06] login *help you in a hypothetical war militarily"

[07:18:33] login Letting one's enemies think one is crazy or has no limits actually makes one sane

[07:18:59] login ^ correct

[07:19:06] login Trump even said Putin discussed it with him many times

[07:19:18] login And Trump told him 'you can't take Ukraine', then berated NATO and talked about disbanding it

[07:19:23] login and making the other countries pay more etc.

[07:19:31] login Putin was satisfied seeing things progress that way

[07:20:03] login He handled some aspects of foreign policy better than even Obama

[07:20:13] login But dropped the ball on China

[07:20:39] login Why?

[07:20:54] login Well, that is true of every president including trump

[07:21:30] login He has a different kind of charisma

[07:21:51] login Couldn't have been prevented

[07:22:14] login I did not know about that

[07:22:26] login It would have hurt the US consumer too

[07:22:41] login and they were just coming out of 2008

[07:23:02] login That would have meant Obama wouldn't get re-elected in 2012

[07:23:31] login At a point, it becomes untenable to artificially restrict progress to within the country

[07:23:51] login It becomes more economically advantageous to the world to have it integrated

[07:24:22] login relatively weaker, but overall the world gets richer

[07:24:50] login the european consumer is

[07:25:11] login but there are phones and software

[07:25:58] login well, if europe and america had restricted innovation wthin their borders, there would be fewer things in the world to spend that credit on

[07:26:35] login There is a thing though, in that capital goods are in China

[07:27:20] login They have manufacturing capability now

[07:27:24] login and their labour is more expensive

[07:27:35] login Their software engineering is good too (re:tiktok)

[07:27:51] login But their capital is not well-directed - lots of political interference and favouritism

[07:27:56] login It's not as meritocratic as it could be

[07:28:11] login They study very hard - their college entrance exam is much much harder

[07:28:35] login The average quality is higher - don't know about their top 100 vs. other places' top 100

[07:29:16] login More than just imagination, they're not willing to spend the capital on trying to actualise imagination

[07:31:56] login huawei did well though

[07:32:17] login even tsmc was able to make better chips than intel

[07:32:54] login the only difference other than ethnicity is not being restricted economically by their government

[07:33:08] login or by other governments

[07:33:26] login and the biggest investment taiwanese had was in China - even TSMC had factories in China for older nodes

[07:33:48] login Their 5G stuff was years ahead

[07:34:04] login maybe it was just propaganda

[07:34:07] login or cheaper

[07:34:45] login Perhaps America does innovation better because of immigration and the willingness to risk capital

[07:35:06] login But the 'everything is here' network advantage in terms of supply chains has all shifted to China

[07:35:52] login perhaps at the edges, but america's homegrown average has gone down

[07:36:11] login even elon musk was not american-educated (high school)

[07:36:52] login One can imagine if China were the way it was today and had better immigration policies, an Elon Musk might have emigrated to China rather than America

[07:37:27] login ^ meaning same number of rich people as america, but a larger blue-collar workforce

[07:37:35] login rich/white-collar

[07:37:59] login Cheaper operating costs

[07:38:13] login Physical labour is the bottleneck in mass production

[07:38:56] login The mistake in China is that their system is less meritocratic when it comes to directing capital

[07:39:26] login Even Jack Ma called it out in 2020 in his infamous speech: he said "there is no systemic risk in China's financial system because China doesn't have a financial system"

[07:39:42] login And that banks were like pawn shops

[07:40:32] login if 1/3rd of Chinese live with the same American amenities - then it's as if there's an America in China

[07:40:47] login their trains are much better too

[07:41:07] login try their bullet trains

[07:41:26] login They built Tesla's Shanghai factory in record time

[07:41:33] login even Mexico said 'no, it'll take 2 years'

[07:42:05] login Transportation is a bottleneck in america

[07:42:25] login in poor communities, it is

[07:42:35] login no credit = no car = no ability to go to work far away = no credit

[07:42:57] login what percentage of Chinese own a vehicle?

[07:43:03] login even if it's 33.3%, that's the same number of people as America

[07:43:25] login Bullet trains for freight would be pretty useful

[07:44:11] login Making in America is very hard because of a lot of regulation and nimbyism

[07:44:16] login the permits are very difficult

[07:44:47] login >

[07:44:48] login China: car ownership among consumers 2019 | Statista

[07:44:50] login Car ownership rate in China 2019

[07:44:52] login According to the survey conducted by Rakuten Insight, about 71.4 percent of the Chinese respondents stated they owned a car.

[07:45:08] login Well, California rail is one example

[07:45:48] login China Number of Registered Vehicles was reported at 319,030,000 Unit in Dec 2022.

[07:46:08] login vs. There were a total of 278,063,737 personal and commercial vehicles registered to drivers in the U.S. in 2021.

[07:46:28] login 1.4 billion

[07:46:44] login less than 50%

[07:46:51] login shared cars ^

[07:47:20] login The raw number of cars says China has more than the US

[07:47:32] login Measured by length?

[07:47:47] login Well, per-capita is always hard for bigger countries

[07:48:01] login But the GDP is just absolutes

[07:48:18] login The Chinese country has more brains than the US

[07:48:27] login in literal number

[07:48:47] login Yeah, the average individual in China might not be as well off

[07:48:59] login So, if America were to become self-sustaining

[07:49:09] login Would that mean everybody will drive their car to the factory?

[07:49:47] login The ratios of car owners vs. non-owners, rich vs. not so rich, are all skewed - and can remain skewed, because the grunt work is done elsewhere

[07:50:11] login If the end-to-end production needs to be in America, there will be more relative poverty in america than there is now

[07:50:45] login They can fix that by letting the CNY float properly

[07:51:12] login The skew is that it should be 30% in america too

[07:51:38] login exactly because the factories are not in america

[07:52:14] login America has a lot of railroad, and bullet-train freight would be a game changer

[07:52:25] login even if America started using its rivers properly, it would be a gamechanger

[07:52:38] login for freight it would be

[07:53:03] login Why not?

[07:53:33] login Yeah, that is true ^

[07:53:56] login the last mile is the bottleneck right?

[07:54:36] login What about for local suppliers?

[07:58:37] login in China it would be a state-owned enterprise

[07:58:56] login And there would be bullet trains between population centres like NY and SF

[07:59:08] login or to Washington DC

[07:59:30] login Yeah, they chose trains over interstate highways

[07:59:54] login And most of the country is in the eastern half

[08:00:09] login The converse could also be true

[08:00:20] login most people are driving because there is a massive highway system

[08:00:36] login Yeah, the trains are more rigid

[08:00:41] login but there are enough of them

[08:01:19] login Yeah, it just means the rail part of the journey get shorter

[08:01:38] login Yeah, America's population is more distributed

[08:01:49] login but still, California is very populated

[08:02:43] login So there are megacities in California then

[08:03:14] login Yeah, you live in what would be rural China

[08:03:34] login lol

[08:04:04] login You'd be surprised

[08:04:16] login They camp in cities without chickens

[08:04:40] login You should take a big China trip once

[08:04:45] login Before it becomes disallowed

[08:05:07] login Yeah, ^ i was going to mention that

[08:05:21] login Yeah, that's correct. they got cancelled

[08:05:31] login that's the one - the exact channel i was thinking of

[08:06:12] login Hopefully America will get its act together and create a blue-collar immigration system too

[08:06:22] login and remove all the lottery stuff and replace it with points

[08:06:49] login Why not take in the best of what other countries' have done?

[08:07:14] login Best way is to remove all the restrictions

[08:07:18] login wages will be lower

[08:07:55] login Many companies employ the illegals - and without them, job openings just stay open

[08:08:03] login i.e., the market-clearing wage is below the minimum wage

[08:08:13] login americans got options

[08:08:21] login which is a good thing for the american worker

[08:08:40] login but they have unemployment insurance

[08:09:03] login how are they making their day-to-day then?

[08:09:53] login So the benefits are loaned in effect?

[08:10:49] login It depends on what the UI premiums are

[08:11:20] login But they call it unemployment insurance, and one has to pay something (i assume called premiums) into it

[08:11:43] login So, how are there so many out of work in America?

[08:11:52] login Nobody wants to take them in at the minimum wage?

[08:14:16] login So how come the parents are not using some of the funds for training?

[08:14:35] login Training to get back into the workforce

[08:14:41] login in a new capacity

[08:15:00] login Does it not exist in America? The trades or whatever else?

[08:15:11] login But that stuff hasn't been automated away either

[08:15:51] login Everybody can't be white collar

[08:16:05] login unless working to create AI robots that can automate the blue collar stuff

[08:16:24] login no respect for the trades?

[08:16:47] login White collar pays too much - for work that is not actually economically beneficial

[08:17:09] login A liberal arts degree is for rich children who want enlightenment

[08:17:21] login White collar in China pays lesser

[08:17:35] login well, the children are better informed

[08:17:44] login it's a 'classical' education right?

[08:17:50] login so they don't read literature?

[08:18:07] login The degree is not what the country needs

[08:18:22] login The children are not basing their degree choices on what will help them pay their debt off fastest

[08:19:04] login And universities are not basing the number of seats on what will give them a sureshot return on their investment

[08:19:28] login But the universities don't take on the risk of repayment

[08:19:40] login The debt is bought by the government/loan made by government

[08:19:47] login the universities get cash

[08:20:08] login Really? Who makes the loan then?

[08:20:28] login the loans are non-dischargeable and gov-backed right?

[08:21:15] login but there are federal student loans

[08:21:31] login And you can't discharge it

[08:21:43] login So it is a permanent tax on your future income

[08:21:55] login Who owns the debt?

[08:22:01] login The bank loses if you don't pay it?

[08:22:12] login Why would a bank make such a loan for bad degrees?

[08:22:21] login It's not due to student loans though

[08:22:45] login there are federal student loans and private student loans

[08:23:47] login So when the gov paused student loan repayments, why didn't it cause lots of problems for the owners of the debt?

[08:24:02] login i read it was done

[08:24:24] login https://www.usa.gov/covid-student-loan-help#:~:text=If%20you%20are%20repaying%20a,relief%20for%20federal%20student%20loans.

[08:24:59] login Yeah, but you know what they say about special cases (like the temporary closing of the gold window)

[08:25:15] login I thought it was because of Chinese lockdowns

[08:25:28] login i.e., China exports less stuff to the US - inflation in the US skyrockets

[08:26:06] login I think it started with less Chinese production

[08:26:30] login I thought it was because the Chinese gov stopped people from working

[08:26:45] login but demand didn't fall because of money printing

[08:27:06] login Yes, inflation solves itself in that way

[08:27:44] login If people are both not working and making less money

[08:27:54] login Then there should be fewer things to sell and fewer people buying them

[08:28:14] login So inflation should not happen then

[08:28:25] login Or should stop happening

[08:28:41] login Who got that money if people were making less money

[08:28:58] login If it went to Ukraine etc., then it would be the defence companies and their employees earning it

[08:29:08] login The PPP loans + forgiveness?

[08:29:20] login yeah, that would be the closest thing to helicopter money

[08:29:51] login imagine if the recipients had saved it all and used it very judiciously

[08:29:56] login they'd be getting some good interest now

[08:30:49] login stupid guy

[08:30:59] login if he had bought some income-generating assets, he could have kept the income

[08:31:19] login yeah, but at least it would be a productive use of the money

[08:31:50] login They shouldn't have put the forgiveness clause back in

[08:32:14] login The extra IRS agents are to catch these right?

[08:32:32] login So, the money ended up with the mansion-seller, boat-seller and car-sellers

[08:33:13] login So will they be closing the nursery down for fraud now?

[08:33:34] login The government giveth, and now it's time to taketh away

[08:33:42] login it treats the whole population as a blob

[08:34:26] login They should have just paid for all deaths

[08:34:32] login Would the nursery start poisoning its people?

[08:35:35] login They mandated it that way

[08:35:43] login nobody could go there even if your loved ones were dying

[08:36:12] login They pretty-much ran a 'what if' of a pandemic different to the one we had

[08:36:32] login i.e., what if covid were very infectious and deadly - let's treat it that way

[08:36:50] login and now they aren't prepared for the next pandemic - no disease surveillance etc.

[08:37:29] login Well, it was more severe than a flu and similarly infectious

[08:37:59] login it was respiratory - so lung effect may not have been acceptable

[08:38:19] login it's hard to run a counterfactual on what would have happened if nothing was done

[08:38:24] login except, one can look at sweden

[08:39:09] login China was the first one to do lockdowns

[08:39:16] login They do overreact

[08:39:30] login They do plan for pandemics though

[08:40:00] login They didn't know in the first few months

[08:40:06] login but they did find out within those first few months

[08:40:27] login Lol, it depends on how you allocate blame

[08:40:35] login America funded the research

[08:40:40] login China conducted it

[08:40:54] login The two economics are conjoined twins, as elon musk says

[08:41:17] login America directs the capital, China does the research

[08:41:36] login Well, the pandemic response was certainly purposeful

[08:41:52] login and it did allow the testing of whether the response was adequate

[08:42:00] login But millions of people got it

[08:42:18] login It was more deadly than the flu

[08:42:22] login just like SARS

[08:42:38] login no way was it identical - different kind of virus

[08:42:51] login people died of MERS earlier too

[08:43:00] login middle eastern respiratory syndrome

[08:43:12] login it wasn't standard though - the common cold is not a coronavirus

[08:43:46] login oh lol, it is

[08:44:47] login they censored that truth so heavily

[08:44:48] login instead of debunking it

[08:45:58] login i don't think it was purpose as much as it was unwittingly

[08:46:16] login but the intelligence agencies etc. might have had a field day with the circumstance

[08:46:22] login who was directing the purpose then?

[08:46:31] login some shady cabal of insiders in DC?

[08:46:49] login were they told - we want to test person control and this is the way?

[08:47:11] login To what end?

[08:47:19] login it's not like it helped economically

[08:47:31] login or reduced crime or created more fine-tuned credit scores?

[08:47:54] login Do they have a short position opened on SPY?

[08:48:05] login end or evolve?

[08:48:29] login everybody who is a policy maker in government may have a goal to evolve the current system into the shape of their ideal system

[08:49:07] login so they want to concentrate wealth in order to create a more oligopolistic economy?

[08:49:21] login i.e., lower wages, fewer protections, more juice extracted from the life energy of the populace?

[08:49:57] login the few rich and powerful cannot weather any collapse on their own - they need others to provide them with luxuries

[08:50:26] login and in what way will the world economic system be reformed, but to the disadvantage of the collapsers?

[08:50:59] login Their idea is to concentrate ownership and have everybody rent stuff

[08:51:12] login i.e., the owner shouldn't be the user

[08:51:38] login i.e., you shouldn't live in your own home, you should rent yours out and rent from someone else

[08:52:11] login Or, actually, own a share of a large corporation that owns it all, and rent yours from them

[08:52:31] login It is a monopolistic world view

[08:52:42] login Yeah, singapore follows this system

[08:52:52] login Most singaporeans live in government apartments

[08:53:11] login if the block votes against the current gov, they get fewer upgrades

[08:53:41] login Making money through innovation is much harder than making money through market concentration

[08:54:36] login I do wonder why private equity firms haven't bought residential property - i think it's disallowed

[08:55:21] login You will find the limited partners of those firms to be Saudi or Chinese

[08:55:49] login That's what happens when the economy gets hollowed out

[08:56:01] login The actual foreign money makers start buying US assets

[08:56:11] login and the US starts moving to a renter of its own country than owner

[08:56:28] login eventually, the politicians don't feel safe in their own country and look to exfiltrate their wealth out

[08:56:34] login i.e., the whole country becomes a sellout

[08:57:02] login And then, if the norms permit it, the country gets colonisde

[08:57:13] login And then gets 'recultured'

[08:57:21] login i.e., new language, new schools of thought

[08:57:26] login the old culture is extinguished

[08:57:37] login It has happened many times to many places in the past

[08:57:52] login It's slow and secretive

[08:58:01] login How do you know the ultimate beneficial owner of the land?

[08:58:27] login It does currently too

[08:58:46] login China's strongest of its triad is its navy

[08:58:55] login more than its air force or army

[08:59:07] login I'm speaking on relative terms

[08:59:18] login Army might be strong too - due to long borders

[08:59:22] login Yeah, it's not international yet

[08:59:28] login But they are working on their military bases

[08:59:41] login Not if the other countries don't allow it

[08:59:46] login But the other countries can be wooed

[09:00:01] login especially if all the US is offering is pain to switch

[09:00:07] login The US?

[09:00:28] login The reason the USD is still breathing is because of how easy it is to open a US bank account and create a US LLC

[09:00:50] login It is much harder to open a foreign bank account in other countries

[09:01:16] login if there is a replacement, people will switch to it

[09:02:54] login How easy is it to show your prices in a different currency and open a new money-accepting account?

[09:02:57] login if one were offered?

[09:03:06] login it's not that difficult to switch

[09:03:28] login depends on if you want to preserve your wealth

[09:03:50] login if your suppliers start pricing in a different unit of account, you will have to switch too

[09:04:16] login TikTok managed to make people switch away from instagram by starting with a seed of users in the US (by merging with musical.ly)

[09:04:35] login the same kind of thing can be done by buying - say - gold miners in America

[09:04:47] login or just competing with VISA/Mastercard

[09:05:10] login I think China will do partial gold backed

[09:05:18] login It's like refusing to use email

[09:05:25] login They have been buying a lot of gold

[09:05:49] login Their central bank 'fixes' the exchange rate everyday, and allows it to move 2% during the day

[09:06:12] login they use a secret basket of currencies against which to measure their currency - CNY

[09:06:26] login now, what if they are buying a lot of gold to increase the amount of gold in the basket?

[09:06:37] login slowly, the CNY will correlate more with gold than USD

[09:07:14] login eventually, people will realise holding gold to exchange for CNY has less volatility risk than using USD for it

[09:07:27] login then you will find not CBDCs, but gold-backed DCs

[09:07:38] login offered by private corporations - gold-backed debit cards etc.

[09:08:04] login Then some association may come into play to ensure the gold is actually there

[09:08:10] login and make the accounts interoperable

[09:08:22] login The fiat is still floating w.r.t. gold

[09:08:49] login Even Jerome Powell said 'what happens in china matters for US interest rates'

[09:09:10] login What if it inflated in a predictable way against gold?

[09:09:23] login not right now

[09:09:41] login but if I am right about the CNY - then the CNY might become predictable w.r.t. gold

[09:10:41] login They already control the currency in a similar way to the way they'd have to control it if it were backed by gold

[09:10:48] login at a predictably increasing exchange rate

[09:11:08] login but instead of gold, their trade surplus is held in various currencies

[09:11:50] login They may not hold absolute control, but they will want to hold control over how much control they can exert

[09:12:34] login i.e., the promise of gold in exchange for CNY may not be an absolute promise, but it will be roughly the same - i.e., CNY/gold will be less volatile than CNY/USD for example

[09:13:05] login I think this is their plan

[09:13:13] login to internationalise the CNY without losing control

[09:14:01] login The gold 'backing' is an excuse to retain capital controls without making it look arbitrary

[09:14:59] login The bank account number doesn't matter as much as what others are willing to do to get a certain number added to their account

[09:15:23] login And others will make that determination by having a rough idea of what that number, in turn, will get them

[09:16:35] login And besides, gold is not an investment. It doesn't do anything. It is a way to preserve wealth over the long term

[09:17:35] login morning Miggy-kun

[09:19:07] login i won't reveal that lol

[09:19:16] login but i will say, you're close

[09:23:44] login omg, turkey and dill would be such a good sandwic

[09:42:08] login MatCat and others: meanwhile in Japan - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UYgORr5Qhg

[09:44:52] login And a good written description to go along with the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UYgORr5Qhg&lc=Ugx4OmqL3syG2LHzwTV4AaABAg

[09:44:55] login (it's a comment)

[09:46:03] login and also, btw, the drummer is a woman: https://www.google.com/search?q=Nao+Kawakita&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[09:49:33] login Hopefully this is not what happens to the American economy...

[10:05:15] login how have you been MAGIC?

[10:05:44] login how will your day be?

[10:05:59] login lol

[10:06:15] login it's father's day right?

[10:10:41] login Why is wildting2's connection resetting so much?

[10:10:55] login Miggy-Kun: what do you think about the next two decades in terms of investments and developments?

[10:16:15] login I think there will be a world war, so defence companies, arms makers and especially ammunition manufacturers

[10:16:40] login The US can't make enough, so they have to ask SK to make more for them

[10:17:45] login One is beside me, and the other is inside me

[10:18:46] login how many here know about HTML tags?

[10:19:02] login table row, table header and table data

[10:19:36] login i swear though, html should have had a <tc> too, for column-based tables

[10:40:06] login ski: yes

[10:40:18] login hello Peorthn't

[10:41:20] login free things like clean air and the environment

[11:02:09] login i want to be able to select a column and copy it

[11:02:48] login i wonder how chinese logographs are ordered in their dictionary

[11:36:54] login huy

[11:37:06] login !bangn't

[11:44:29] login Miggy-Kun: what was the bug?

[11:44:51] login Has anyone seen the FX TV series Devs (2020)?

[11:44:59] login .wiki Devs (2020)

[11:45:26] login Miggy-Kun: oh, did you reply to me earlier?

[12:47:05] login what were salaries like in 2003?

[20:14:26] login do you have a safety bag for hikes, MatCat?

[20:59:25] login the servers are just a medium for us to meet virtually - how are we doing?

[21:13:48] login yournamehere: feeling gay for?

[21:14:41] login or MatCat?

[21:15:49] login Have you tried Chinese green tea?

[21:18:41] login in what and by whom?

[21:19:26] login there are lighter ones too

[21:19:31] login they already have 5 and 10

[21:20:12] login ski: it's good - has a subtle taste to it

[21:20:24] login can just put the leaves in heated water

[21:21:06] login ski: what about rooibos tea?

[21:21:24] login Frogorg: yeah, it's interesting what falsehoods we go along with in our lives for the longest time

[21:22:21] login Perhaps people weren't buying the larger packages because of the word 'earl' on it

[21:22:56] login Avocado is a recent luxury

[21:23:33] login It wasn't as popular before - lesser production, lesser demand, lower equilibrium quantity

[21:23:42] login Then this meme about avocado toast just blew up

[21:24:29] login And producers started opening farms in mexico and elsewhere to grow and export the thing to the US, and similarly in Europe

[21:25:09] login Will his daughter remember the old not-bitter taste of beer?

[21:26:11] login Also, who knows what effect beer would have on a growing brain

[21:26:39] login Lots of experiments in children rearing that haven't been formally done, but that parents are supposedly doing

[21:27:00] login Even if the parents don't frame it that way

[21:27:18] login i heard that they take a cut of revenue from the producers for 'protection'

[21:27:43] login and they even murdered a US official who tried to take them out

[21:28:28] login America then threatened to impose barriers on avocado imports, so the front government would have communicated it to the cartels (whose cut would become smaller or disappear)

[21:29:12] login That period of non-remembering is the most critical time to be making sure there is good development and education

[21:29:23] login I don't know, might have been a few years ago

[21:29:29] login i'd have to look it up

[21:29:57] login I found the link: https://www.npr.org/2022/02/19/1081948884/mexican-drug-cartels-are-getting-into-the-avocado-and-lime-business

[21:30:06] login The US official wasn't murdered, but threatened

[21:30:18] login > This week, the U.S. briefly banned Mexican avocados after a U.S. inspector in the state of Michoacan reported receiving threats.

[21:31:00] login > These organized crime groups use avocados. They use limes as a source of profit. They tax them. And so that's been a dynamic for a very, very long time. I think - what sources tell me might be changing now is that organized crime groups are not just trying to tax these agricultural products, they're also trying to manipulate and control the market.

[21:31:13] login Tax is an euphemism for the cartel 'cut'

[21:33:30] login They're more like entrepreneurs with no legal limits

[21:34:04] login They have to keep the delicate balance between the farmers, the packers, the inspectors (US) and the avocado quality sent to consumers

[21:34:48] login Farmers threatened with violence do not produce good product - not as much as farmers who are happy and feel like they're being appreciated

[21:35:37] login The cartel is like private industry and government rolled into one - police, taxman and business

[21:36:09] login > So to say I am going to protest the violence by not consuming avocados, I don't know that that would work. I'm not saying don't do it, but it seems a bit simplistic to me.

[21:36:30] login The answer is to make it attractive to produce avocado in the US, and distinguish it by country of origin

[21:41:35] login It's good market timing

[21:42:04] login It's what is going to happen to commercial real-estate

[21:42:30] login Mikoolo: ssh, don't want the channel banned

[21:42:55] login it's not stealing, MAGIC

[21:43:08] login you did not acquire the right to the duck until you shot it dead

[21:43:28] login You weakening it does not give you any interest over the duck

[21:44:04] login you knew what game you were playing

[21:44:38] login trying hard != making bank

[21:44:49] login unless you go above the threshold, which you didn't

[21:45:02] login I do agree that norms were violated

[21:45:07] login Or it can be seen as unethical

[21:45:30] login But that is like lying, or going on a date with a fake name, story and then ghosting

[21:45:40] login It is very unethical, but legal

[21:46:07] login Yeah, lying to someone is not illegal

[21:46:15] login unless you get money out of them or something like that

[21:46:59] login ComputerTech could easily go into DuckHunt's code, and have it only accept !bangs from the first shooter of the golden duck

[21:47:15] login i thought the word was fight

[21:47:47] login But MAGIC, isn't it more valuable as a norm than technically enforced?

[21:48:14] login Your correct strategy, MAGIC, should be to shoot the golden duck once

[21:48:19] login Then wait for others to shoot it down

[21:48:25] login And then take the last shot

[21:49:11] login Then you can't win against the explosive shooters

[21:49:31] login You know, real-life market makers work this way too

[21:49:54] login segmenting the other traders and having different strategies depending on when which traders are active

[21:50:15] login It is quite German to over-conserve xp

[21:50:28] login even at the cost of potential future gains, if the gains are not too certain

[21:50:55] login And especially if everybody thinks that way and then the xp inflation due to easy golden ducks just takes the advantage away

[21:51:20] login In market-making lingo, that would be 3-4 opportunities to become delta neutral at an attractive price

[21:51:40] login So the game is more complicated than it seems

[21:51:49] login ^ lol

[21:52:10] login could be Worm`

[21:52:34] login Who knew the Duck was listening in on our conversations?

[21:53:03] login it's like #computertech insider lore, the Duck is always litening

[21:53:05] login *listening

[21:53:16] login oops

[21:53:31] login komputer -> german?

[21:54:03] login how would one find out who's controlling DuckHunt if there are no logs of access/

[21:54:20] login MAGIC: is every DuckHunt message sending a sound to your device?

[21:54:38] login DuckHunt: you know what to do

[21:54:51] login What would the logs show?

[21:54:58] login Just that DuckHunt was sending messages, right?

[21:55:24] login oh, so it tracks the admin

[21:55:47] login partyline?

[21:56:28] login oh i see, i don't know much about eggdrop bot's plugins

[21:57:09] login Anybody can make that up, ct

[21:57:49] login Well, now im sure it was MAGIC via ct

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