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[00:01:34] login are salamanders not young snakes?

[00:03:34] login creepy crawlies

[00:14:59] login Are they going to close crypto-associated people's accounts?

[00:15:12] login i.e., financial cancellation if you get caught holding crypto

[00:16:29] login They are an information broker in the computing space - LTT

[00:16:53] login irish666: USD or USDT?

[00:17:19] login maybe they can't settle to GBP anymore - no GBP banking relationship

[00:17:55] login there is a cozy relationship between banking and government

[00:18:14] login gory

[00:19:36] login > via Faster Payments and card

[00:20:34] login who is it?

[00:21:31] login so it's sold to corsair?

[00:23:10] login s> https://wiza.co/d/corsair/eea5/terren-tong

[00:23:16] login > Senior Director of Marketing and Business Development for Systems at Corsair

[00:23:36] login hi H

[00:31:30] login they might still be the sole shareholders and directors of the company, but does that mean LTT has issued convertible debt to Corsair?

[00:31:46] login or an option to acquire equity in the future?

[00:32:25] login It doesn't have to be equity for Corsair to have financial interest in LTT

[00:32:58] login even pure debt means if LTT can't pay it back, Corsair owns the company

[00:37:03] login why would a ceo like him join the company with no shareholding? he's not sam altman though

[00:41:42] login I think his concern was that the company was becoming a 'family' company, if you know what i mean

[00:42:01] login and instead of hiring HR, he hired the guy whom they could suddenly afford

[00:43:50] login yeah, i did not know that

[00:43:56] login i was mistaken

[00:44:26] login it seems like he found a really good place to land - LTT is good at marketing products

[00:45:27] login The main issue is, what are they buying for 100 million?

[00:45:48] login The channel needs his face to succeed

[00:46:10] login Yeah, that's why he didn't accept the 100 million

[00:46:55] login and less time justifying why someone is getting paid 'x' and not progressing

[00:47:35] login Maybe one of the disgruntled employees would come out with a piece about him being a bad boss

[00:47:55] login Will he have creative control of who he shows in the videos?

[00:48:26] login The relationship with the audience needs him to not sell out

[00:48:53] login which they send in the hope he will feature it on his channel

[00:49:30] login He fudged the part about why they could afford the terren tong

[00:49:45] login the Q&A would be really good

[00:49:55] login with audience live questions

[00:50:28] login That's good - he knew he can't lose the audience's trust

[00:50:32] login *he knows

[00:50:58] login Here's a little secret: He even built a system for someone very high up in North Korea

[00:51:06] login rumored to be Kim Jong-un

[00:51:39] login He timed it well - with elon musk finding a new ceo for twitter

[00:51:47] login and the thing he has with spacex

[00:52:05] login Null_Anonymous: he didn't say it out loud like that, but the hints are there

[00:52:12] login it's the pyramidal one

[00:52:43] login > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkELZbTxsHg

[00:53:02] login oh lol, i guess my 'intelligence' was pointless - maybe it was indirect

[00:53:14] login Doesn't it feel like what happened to freenode?

[00:53:55] login Why does the video call the corsair exec 'annoying'?

[00:54:27] login So he needed HR essentially

[00:55:02] login yeah, it might just be my pattern recogition of pyramid + specific desires + willing to pay extra for a pyramid = NK pyramid kim-jong un

[00:55:22] login there is a building of the same shape in Pyongyang - similar pet project

[00:59:31] login I mean, there is still stuff that goes into NK - there is still trade despite the embargo

[01:03:54] login My guess would be Canada -> Corsair -> China -> North Korea

[01:04:46] login If Linus was different, he would give others more screen time and retire peacefully with 100m

[01:05:16] login weechat me too

[01:07:27] login try the tui stuff, ct

[01:07:36] login it's still in use in server stuff

[01:07:46] login i mean, weechat

[01:08:14] login lol, screen+irssi?

[01:08:38] login ComputerTech: why "crovax: :|"

[01:09:09] login computertech: screen is a program to run several shells inside the same session

[01:09:18] login it's equivalent to tmux (terminal multiplexer)

[01:09:29] login tmux+weechat vs. screen+irssi

[01:09:39] login how do you persist your connection then?

[01:09:54] login that ban didn't show up through the technet relay

[01:10:03] login byobu is tmux

[01:10:44] login yeah, i think it can use screen as its backend too

[01:24:04] login is that a real product?

[02:09:44] login what are man juices?

[02:10:51] login re:stop resisting your arrest - the way they elicit your initial resistance is by kicking or otherwise harming you during the arrest

[02:11:03] login it is a natural body reaction to resist that

[02:11:56] login they won't be reprimanded for the initial kicking - because that's the equivalent of a cali 0 km/h stop at a stop sign

[02:12:38] login hands behind your head you mean? if it's lower body, they may suspect gun

[02:13:16] login i mean as they are approaching you

[02:13:29] login Zack: what about the spider?

[02:14:55] login yeah, it is not well-known enough that they are very well-versed in criminal law - they study it, often more knowledgable in the part they need to know than even the prosecutor

[02:15:28] login I hope my driving skills are up-to-notch

[02:16:26] login if going to a protest for example, legal observers and knowing the rules is important

[02:16:53] login gone to a protest?

[02:17:19] login perhaps the gov is bringing in a policy that you don't agree with and that affects you financially

[02:17:49] login yes, that is a very good way to defuse things

[02:18:14] login i guess that's why hong kongers were dismayed when what was perceived as a 'hack/cheat' was removed from their voting system

[02:18:28] login you're a very good civic citizen, MatCat

[02:18:45] login they should teach these kinds of things in civics in school

[02:18:51] login if they don't already do so

[02:19:49] login even the calling and writing to elected officials?

[02:20:32] login there is also that not everybody is allowed to stand up for election

[02:20:46] login or that there is significant pressure not to take certain positions, no matter which candidate it is

[02:20:57] login i.e., suppression of the list of choices a voter could be presented with

[02:21:46] login and even post-election, taking difficult decisions that undo something someone in the past has and continues to benefit from

[02:26:33] login there was no gap between the shop and the last bang

[02:26:49] login plus, it would have been a waste with your explosive ammo

[02:27:28] login Zack: spiderman is cool, but spiders aren't

[02:27:57] login oh, so that's why it was so fast

[02:31:04] login CoolKevin: regarding man juices, have you heard of the reddit 'box'?

[02:31:33] login internet is bringing the fringe to the forefront: https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditsMuseumofFilth/comments/ot8gl9/cum_box_the_original_story_archived_post/

[02:31:40] login *the internet

[02:31:48] login use old.reddit.com

[02:33:33] login man, the larger the population to sample from, the weirder stuff gets

[02:33:52] login but per-1000 people, perhaps you are right MatCat

[02:34:15] login in the age of the internet, information intake management is something that should be taught

[03:26:43] login ski: meaning, spending my savings instead of letting it collect interest

[03:27:32] login in an apocalypse, you'd be the energy source

[03:28:06] login diversity of function is necessary to build resilience

[03:28:42] login you're part of that diversity: you'll be partly responsible for that resilience in the event of an apocalypse

[03:32:59] login money

[03:33:26] login on food, rent, health insurance etc.

[03:33:56] login that must be a secret membership

[03:34:28] login well, technically, you may not be paying $500 per month to get the 500-per-month rizon membership

[03:34:38] login irc gold - good meme

[03:35:58] login slave implies being forced

[03:36:06] login you're just a generous person

[03:36:38] login ski: bleeding into real life is where one's online chats in formal contexts start getting affected by one's irc habits

[03:37:30] login hmm, would anyone pay $500 a month to get MS Paint jpegs from ComputerTech?

[03:37:55] login ski: it might bleed into those too

[03:38:04] login !bangn't

[03:38:16] login no way, i attempted the duck, so it should be 'mine'

[03:39:30] login Was this channel more peaceful and kind-hearted before?

[03:39:46] login I'm sure CT got his start on computer stuff on MS Paint

[03:39:55] login before a while

[03:42:33] login was TorS good to everyone here?

[03:42:47] login a bit rich?

[03:43:26] login emotionally immature?

[03:43:31] login or childish?

[03:44:16] login Did he just want to do anything that was not technically prevented?

[03:45:21] login So he was just into that stuff at age 60? was he living on his savings?

[03:48:58] login so you were here before you were 18?

[03:49:15] login I forgot jmjl is also here...

[03:49:36] login my first exposure to irc was after joining a pubnix

[03:49:43] login i.e., i found tilde.green before technet

[03:50:18] login yes

[03:50:22] login they're nicer

[03:50:29] login than here

[03:50:39] login They won't discuss divisive topics

[03:51:03] login I thought it was a good place to have heavy discussions civilly

[03:51:31] login but it imparts a mental toll on other readers

[03:52:02] login thank you, NiniGeo2, coleslaw is good

[03:52:32] login good for some, bad for some others - and the same person may feel differently at different times

[03:53:16] login fresh coleslaw is the bet

[03:53:18] login *st

[03:53:44] login rizon is a 'free speech' platform after all

[03:54:18] login the spirit of positivity (i.e., optimism), helpfulness, interestingness, curiosity and useful discussion with counterpoints

[03:55:17] login yeah, it was just a sentence fragment attached to your sentence

[03:55:29] login you could join the two with -

[03:56:55] login or sensitive?

[03:57:30] login the well-off places have a lot of normalcy - the rest of the world is quite unhappy and darwinian

[03:58:40] login the survivors will be loud-mouthed and thick-skinned rather than the (cultured?) norm of polite and sensitive

[03:58:52] login sensitive to others' feelings

[03:59:23] login loud-mouthed and sensitive?

[03:59:37] login or, like ComputerTech, polite and thick-skinned?

[04:00:05] login like digital electronics

[04:00:23] login not an analog transistor

[04:01:48] login Zack: in my imagine, that plug has a dangly earring on the end of it

[04:01:50] login *imagination

[04:08:15] login it's what one would find at mcdonald's but better

[04:08:31] login yet they don't stock it

[04:08:46] login corporation is too large and controlling

[04:09:10] login where else are people gonna go for a fast meal?

[04:09:16] login at the same price point

[04:09:56] login but how much would you pay yourself to make it?

[04:10:13] login oh, don't say that

[04:10:30] login if only they taught that at school

[04:10:44] login home economics, taxes, cooking, life skills essentially

[04:11:01] login they can keep all the math and quadratic equations optional

[04:12:10] login in fact, the more people commit to it, the lower the restaurant/takeout/fast food places will have to eventually price their products

[04:12:53] login but showing off is not positive

[04:13:29] login people shunning others who display negative emotion is very real

[04:13:39] login my hypothesis is, it's a tribal thing

[04:13:55] login a kind of social selection - as bad as an idea like this is to discuss

[04:14:40] login MatCat also buys rats instead of breeding them for his snakes

[04:14:52] login the snakes get the McDonald's, and he eats at home

[04:15:11] login It might as well be a protected species

[04:15:43] login well, negative experiences and emotions are anti-memes

[04:17:04] login tell your wife -> she'll leave you

[04:17:16] login tell your parents -> they'll endure it if they're good parents, but otherwise...

[04:17:25] login therapist -> good avenue

[04:18:19] login Only the paranoid survive

[04:18:31] login things do resolve themselves

[04:18:35] login eventually

[04:18:40] login nothing goes on forever

[04:18:46] login things that are hard to spread

[04:18:53] login things people keep to themselves

[04:19:01] login getting scammed is one of them

[04:19:58] login Would that be positive thinking?

[04:21:50] login MatCat: do they think that will solve homelessness?

[04:22:25] login ski: there was a short film on that topic, if i recall correctly

[04:22:45] login had a counter with the number of days since the last one in a hospital - and then someone discovers an afterlife

[04:23:10] login MatCat: yeah, it is a culling

[04:23:37] login They see no difference between new children not being born vs. already-born people being harmed

[04:24:10] login Pension funds and insurance companies see this playing out

[04:24:25] login The number of new workers joining is lesser than the number of workers leaving and cashing their pensions out

[04:24:45] login So they can't rely on the assets under management growing through an increase in the number of units sold

[04:24:56] login They have to make the existing number of units (or fewer units) go up in value

[04:25:08] login ski: correct

[04:25:37] login There is enough housing supply as it is, and empty billionaire apartments are being built too

[04:25:58] login it's just that it's all empty, waiting for a tenant willing to pay a price

[04:26:26] login Socialism, if the price of building the apartment were controlled, can solve the problem

[04:26:54] login The swedish method (was it swedish or finnish, idk) is to solve the roof first

[04:26:59] login the other problems later

[04:27:40] login There should be a large enough safety net for anyone to be able to get into a, let's say, very basic place to live

[04:28:18] login Will they destroy it?

[04:28:26] login that seems sad to hear

[04:29:04] login Meaning, urinate on the floor?

[04:29:08] login or just light it on fire?

[04:29:21] login No cleaning?

[04:29:26] login Perhaps they should be housed in a hotel

[04:29:47] login there are movies showing how crazy the asylums can get

[04:31:17] login They shut the motel down or changed management?

[04:31:56] login perhaps leaving properties empty and letting the homeless squat there is best

[04:33:11] login There doesn't seem to be a humane solution then

[04:33:53] login Such a discussion is one I could never imagine having in the other irc communities

[04:34:22] login Too many will be uncomfortable expressing and reading others express these

[04:34:42] login Nature vs. nurture - connects to eugenics and raising children too

[04:35:05] login What about getting equity in a person's future income?

[04:35:11] login or is that like slavery?

[04:35:58] login yes, the more polite and considerate ones

[04:36:29] login MatCat: for example, someone could buy a portion of my future income for an upfront payment

[04:37:13] login yeah, but if that's if you sell all of it

[04:37:37] login and indentured servitude involves debt

[04:37:55] login So if I were someone who is hand to mouth, but I know if I could get a buffer of money, I would be able to earn a higher income

[04:38:32] login Or a child whose parents were hand to mouth, and if a larger investment were to be made possible in the child's development, they would be able to earn a higher income in the future

[04:39:13] login but wages can be garnished

[04:39:34] login correct

[04:39:43] login it is a lot like venture investment

[04:40:33] login how many people, if you start them off with 0 at age 18, can provide themselves basic living?

[04:40:41] login 0 inheritance, only public school or no school

[04:41:48] login but if it's equity, it could work

[04:42:11] login if someone becomes ultrasuccessful, you get 10% of their billionaire wealth

[04:42:38] login yeah, if one can see homelessness coming, one should direct themselves away from that direction

[04:43:17] login it does work in the 'rest of the world'

[04:43:32] login and parents do put money into their own children's development

[04:43:44] login true ^

[04:44:07] login they do figure out some way of making do

[04:44:54] login more than half the world is urban though

[04:45:16] login 55% now

[04:45:41] login if it's one of the big cities, it might be urban

[04:46:02] login semi-urban i guess

[04:47:37] login And their innovation level at the fringes is much higher than the average professional

[04:48:21] login some might not be inhabited

[04:48:29] login but those are the failed projects

[04:48:53] login In America, companies fail. In China, jump-starting a city fails

[04:50:06] login yeah, that is very true. the rich people of china don't have anywhere to invest

[04:50:37] login jack ma got scorched by the chinese gov for saying that plainly in a public conference

[04:51:07] login a finsihed home has bad feng shui

[04:51:38] login india is much worse

[04:52:17] login but the gdp of china vs. gdp of india

[04:52:24] login almost the same population

[04:52:51] login it is a reflection of it though

[04:53:19] login the people are working though, otherwise the gov wouldn't be getting the money

[04:53:40] login yet the gov is getting all this money?

[04:53:53] login but i do agree that the chinese people are living below their means

[04:54:03] login and it is because of their government

[04:54:25] login because their state has usurped it?

[04:54:42] login the state considers it 'forced savings'

[04:55:06] login ^ yeah

[04:55:14] login jack ma called this out in his speech

[04:55:23] login he said even a beggar needs to have credit - otherwise they can't beg

[04:55:33] login can't beg and get any alms

[04:56:14] login Their state is trying to complete the infraction-penalty space

[04:56:29] login relatively small penalties for small infractions

[04:56:47] login small penalty = not small effect on the person, but small in cost to implement

[04:57:10] login they do it with late bills, perhaps even jaywaking?

[04:57:12] login *walking

[04:57:40] login On the higher risk side, they prefer not to impose too much regulation

[04:57:58] login But they will judge your results and impose penalties based on those, so if you fuck up, you'll get fucked over by the gov

[04:58:18] login There are stories of ponzi scheme orchestrators being executed

[04:58:28] login and the organ selling of prisoners, etc.

[04:59:07] login The legal system is unfair to whomever they perceive to be criminally minded

[04:59:14] login Alibaba founder

[04:59:19] login co-founder*

[04:59:24] login a kind of Steve-Jobs figure

[05:00:19] login Japan is similar: their legal system is both unfair to those they want to convict, but also very lax on high executives who commit financial crimes

[05:00:27] login the crimes get hidden for years, decades

[05:00:39] login high-up executives*

[05:02:08] login does that happen?

[05:02:21] login i have only heard of kuroshi

[05:02:25] login people being overworked

[05:02:51] login They will apologise and bow though

[05:03:32] login Showing repentance is a key part of being forgiven

[05:03:46] login Yeah, a no to the face is a loss of face for the other party

[05:04:05] login The other party must understand it is making an unreasonable request and withdraw their request

[05:04:15] login based on hints dropped by the first party

[05:05:05] login i.e., don't test the generosity of the first party, because social norms indicate that generosity must be shown

[05:16:00] login (it's a retro dance video, by japanese performers) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RRqvTZJGNw

[05:28:08] login do you like japanese women, MatCat?

[05:28:31] login they're not a monolith, you know?

[05:30:15] login also, who here has memorised the Planck constant?

[05:31:02] login but it's an exact number now, you know why right?

[05:31:09] login MatCat: what if she's a cute woman?

[05:31:30] login you said cute girl

[05:31:56] login What about boy and man?

[05:32:33] login i mean, about their synonymy

[05:33:17] login Would you consider yourself to be a cute boy? (it is the term a cute girl might call you by)

[05:33:49] login But a big snake at home

[05:33:55] login More than a few snakes

[05:34:38] login does your false water cobra look like a water cobra?

[05:34:46] login it's nice seeing mimicry in nature

[05:35:04] login there are two links in there though

[05:35:53] login what's your image sharing system? every share seems to be forwarded

[05:36:06] login i've seen this one before

[05:36:16] login exact same image in fact

[05:36:25] login i did not know ahsoka (the snake) was a false water cobra

[05:37:13] login the name of one

[05:37:25] login they're so similar, how can you tell the difference?

[05:38:03] login fooled me

[05:38:46] login i see it now

[05:39:53] login the dots look like bands though

[05:40:58] login oh yeah, the bands are much more pronounced on the real water cobra

[05:41:48] login So the name is the confusion

[05:42:16] login How did you learn how to rear and keep snakes?

[05:42:20] login handling etc.

[05:42:36] login reddit research?

[05:43:02] login i know the internet is big, but i didn't know it had so many niches

[05:43:30] login You dived into it and learned on the job essentially?

[05:43:44] login ski: yes, it gets closer to the present

[05:45:08] login ski: it was during Japan's bubble

[05:45:16] login when the US was scared of how fast Japan was rising

[05:45:30] login before that

[05:45:32] login 1990s

[05:45:42] login 1986 to 1991

[05:46:32] login japanese asset prices and japan's stock market index nikkei hasn't reached that level until today

[05:46:44] login well, actually, it reached that level today - https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/nikkei-powers-japans-1990-bubble-era-high-2023-05-19/

[05:48:54] login imagine waiting for the index to pick up from 1991 to 2021

[05:49:41] login yeah

[05:49:53] login If only they knew AI was the fifth generation computer

[05:50:03] login deep learning etc.

[05:50:34] login seems it hasn't reached its bubble high yet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikkei_225#/media/File:Nikkei_225(1970-).svg

[05:50:43] login if you bought that peak, you're still down

[05:51:21] login Japan used to have the world's more energy efficient super computer too

[05:51:24] login *supercomputer

[05:54:11] login Oh, the US even got an exascale supercomputer now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontier_(supercomputer)

[05:54:15] login the US has*

[05:57:06] login but fastest in floating point operations

[05:57:29] login I read somewhere that they use it to manage their nuclear stockpile

[05:57:44] login predictive maintenance

[06:00:34] login tbh, the next jesus would probably be in the garb of satan

[06:01:00] login jesus was a programmer

[06:01:04] login (of minds)

[06:02:18] login i am not religious though

[06:08:04] login ski: meaning, coming up with a set of beliefs (that aren't falsifiable?) that led to the voluntary recognition of rights

[06:10:08] login what was that link to the math blog about falsifiability

[06:11:14] login yes

[06:11:21] login Mikoolo: welcome to work!

[06:11:37] login I think Mikoolo mentioned it

[06:11:51] login about the negation of a negation not being the same as the thing

[06:12:31] login yes, i thought it was you

[06:12:39] login but when you asked which one, i thought i had misremembered

[06:13:29] login isn't science a bit religious too?

[06:13:34] login They call it Science

[06:13:54] login nobody checks, lots of fraud

[06:14:48] login it's ponzi schemes within ponzi schemes

[06:15:13] login one big multigenerational ponzi scheme that is predicated on a growing world population

[06:15:58] login nein

[06:16:49] login what's the plastic thing into which a screw screws?

[06:23:10] login existentess?

[06:29:47] login it's none of those

[06:29:52] login but you did link some of those before

[06:30:13] login actually, it was https://math.andrej.com/2010/03/29/proof-of-negation-and-proof-by-contradiction/

[06:35:29] login narr structure = narrative structure?

[06:36:29] login i am an NPC ski, i got it

[06:42:10] login where is your wildlife photography website to order prints?

[06:43:33] login in an alternate universe, you could be a zoologist

[06:47:15] login it might be the pylink

[06:53:18] login Anybody here use Usenet?

[06:55:02] login but he will remain the chief vision officer

[07:36:50] login i took too long to understand what japanese "scientific" art meant

[07:37:30] login Mikoolo: even if you returned a toiletpaper later, it would technically be criminal conversion

[07:38:02] login there are a lot of criminals -> another antimeme

[07:38:28] login criminology is an interesting field of study

[07:45:45] login do cops ask that?

[07:46:16] login it's one of those things where there is no visibility into the true prevalence rate

[07:46:34] login if you pirate a movie, isn't that a crime too?

[07:48:05] login some stored, some streamed to me, some streamed by me to a (public) server that a few people on irc open in vlc

[07:48:19] login that last one, i haven't done in a long time

[07:51:41] login it's like uncle sam owns equity on it - to be collecting a cut

[07:51:44] login *in it

[07:53:15] login does the US get a cut on the above-market sales of dvds and cds?

[08:49:12] login why didn't someone re-arm Gentoo?

[09:12:43] login the estate is suing, Gentoo

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